Sunday, June 30, 2019

Quest for a historical core for puranas is futile


Assorted tweets:

We could cite the example of Deen Dayal Upadhyaya here. Upadhyaya obviously has his champions on the right, but he has never been absolutely assimilated into the saffron nationalist pantheon where the likes of Savarkar and Golwalkar rest.
Can ‘cold’ constitutional values like fraternity, secularism, liberty ever quell the rage that hatred and nationalism have fomented on the streets, and chill this propensity toward violence?
Love, for example, even tolerant inclusion, is extremely difficult to vernacularise. And yet we have no alternative other than vernacularising our basic constitutional values, of championing sadhbhavana, ahimsa, and a related basket of concepts that may contain more heat, more passion. It’s a tall order to make fraternity, love politically organic. But inclusive concepts — ideological and not ethno-racial — must occupy the mental and spiritual space currently monopolised by exclusive ones.
India and the Indian: Will we never be able to achieve consensus on being legitimately Indian, writes Aakash Singh Rathore https://t.co/MSBIiV2KGK
https://twitter.com/aakash_ironman/status/1144812508332433408?s=19
A very cool collage of my book covers over the last decade. I’ve been lucky to have great designers.
#books #bookworm #booklover #bookshelf #bookclub #reader #readmore #booklovers #published #bookpic #booktography #bookwormfeature #reading #readerlife #bibliophile #bookishthings https://t.co/fMhQcF0qHm
https://twitter.com/aakash_ironman/status/1145311357408952320?s=19


Caste adapts to changing state technologies and political economy, but remains a total social fact, organising every realm of Indian life: legal, economic and political, religious, aesthetic and cultural. This is not to minimise the pernicious nature of colonialism, or ...

Caste Wasn't a British Construct – and Anyone Who Studies History Should Know That https://t.co/58MN36TbHd via @thewire_in
https://twitter.com/svaradarajan/status/1145332082568077315?s=19

Let Gandhi be our guide to show how not to hate in Ram’s name https://t.co/Jn2ZXwhXVR
https://twitter.com/TOIOpinion/status/1145072337483472896?s=19
Hate and and violence in the name of Ram does unconscionable damage not only  to democracy but also to  India’s religious traditions. My take https://t.co/bFnIn1S2sL
https://twitter.com/sagarikaghose/status/1145326299180724224?s=19

There’s nothing wrong with taking a dim view of Aurangzeb or Tipu Sultan if that’s your thing. The problem arises when you start imagining that your Muslim neighbour owes you an explanation for them. [Reup] https://t.co/W3nxddeC6b
https://twitter.com/dhume/status/1144967452171952130?s=19

My piece. Serve Allah, marry a Hindu or wear a burkha, stop profiling Muslim women https://t.co/ZgtHJ6JpKu
https://twitter.com/_sabanaqvi/status/1145325389201330176?s=19
My column on the transformation from Ram Ram and the feminine first Siya Ram to the masculine aggressive Jai SHRI RAM.... https://t.co/hKmjG86Gnh
https://twitter.com/_sabanaqvi/status/1145154831767822341?s=19

In their bid to undermine Arif Mohammed Khan, the intellectual Maulanas have only proved the accuracy of Khan’s assessment. https://t.co/POAro42fQp
https://twitter.com/OpIndia_com/status/1145308501528334336?s=19
The Liberal-Islamist alliance is rattled by Arif Mohammad Khan. The reason is because ⁦@RifatJawaid⁩ type pseudo-liberals are totally regressive, intolerant and hate the Truth, even as they practise misogyny. ⁦@arifmohammadk⁩ exposes them.  https://t.co/Xqjm0peF0t
https://twitter.com/Sanjay_Dixit/status/1145322935768403973?s=19

Arif Mohammad Khan is playing a harmful game. He is creating the false perception that plight of Muslims is somehow their own fault. Then by creating terms like Deobandi Fundamentalism - straight out of RW playbook - he is giving talking points for badgering the community more
https://twitter.com/AdityaMenon22/status/1144485019810820099?s=19

Do yourself a favor, please watch Article 15. @ayushmannk is amazing and so is @Mdzeeshanayyub !! Take a bow @anubhavsinha not many have the guts to make such a movie! You should know the hall in my small town in TN was almost full and the audience couldn't stop clapping !
https://twitter.com/vakeel_saheba/status/1145322028330672128?s=19

Despite raking up billions, #KabirSingh reopens the debate over normalization of #rape culture and toxic behavior portrayed in #Indiancinema, reports @sehgal106. #India #movies #ToxicMasculinity https://t.co/TOnTLcHvF9
https://twitter.com/AsiaTimes_In/status/1145309242728968192?s=19


"Don’t look for role models or measures of success in the displeasure of Allah" https://t.co/yg8PmzWZus

https://twitter.com/SwarajyaMag/status/1145312024710094848?s=19
Why should she publicise it. its between her and her Allah. It’s like wanting to draw more attention to oneself, instead of trying to move away from attention and false popularity. Those who give up worldly things do it silently & in peace. https://t.co/5kgrAA0K36
https://twitter.com/shahid_siddiqui/status/1145311054651543553?s=19
Brought up on a dose of false knowledge as a believer, you always live in the dread of eternal hell. Anxiety gets more acute when told that you have just one life and an eternal afterlife. @ZairaWasimmm dropped burqa and had a Hindu BF in Secret Superstar, so got hounded by Ms https://t.co/gPnesOCuLw
https://twitter.com/Sanjay_Dixit/status/1145302683688898566?s=19
The usual suspects who are butthurt after seeing Nusrat’s sindoor, are drawing a false equivalence between Zaira Wasim & Nusrat Jahan. While Nusrat is clearly enjoying the marital bliss, Wasim is trying to pollute young minds interested in art, by making it look like a bad thing.
https://twitter.com/AsYouNotWish/status/1145290356704985089?s=19

#TIL that Gibbon’s seminal treatise on the decline of the Roman Empire was on the Catholic Church’s list of “prohibited books” because he had squarely laid the blame of the downfall on Christianity..on the indifference of Christian Romans to tend to material needs of Empire
https://twitter.com/sabeaux/status/1145304156099371008?s=19
Didn’t know this about the Life of Brian, either.. https://t.co/uJI8LhC6ad

"More than 30 years and an entire political and economic system away from Chernobyl, we are watching many of our political and economic leaders lie about climate change, as if untruth has some new power to stop physics." Great piece by @brdemuth, must read https://t.co/mu2njw7gsj
https://twitter.com/GhoshAmitav/status/1145313781821648898?s=19

'It beckons you, holds you by your lapels and shakes you till you are ready to open your eyes. For this book is an awakening for the world.' @Ttindia on @GhoshAmitav's bestselling new novel GUN ISLAND.  https://t.co/XairRlOFVC
https://twitter.com/MeruGokhale/status/1145223618005127168?s=19

The #Anthropocene is about more than #climatechange. It is about an entire system of life, designed to maximise resource extraction at the expense of expendable ‘Others’; a global system of racism emerging from the legacy of centuries of colonialism. https://t.co/eldJt7tL0v
https://twitter.com/NafeezAhmed/status/1144278006598459392?s=19

Aryan Race & Hindu Fascism: @RajivMessage dismantles Romila Thapar in this series titled 'Decolonizing Romila Thapar' - do notice how she speaks only within her close cartel club, and never debates her positions. She refused an invite to @JaipurDialogues https://t.co/obZhJuvC4C
https://twitter.com/Sanjay_Dixit/status/1144200752937627648?s=19

Read a comment to the effect that using the term “myths” means that the person has no faith & should be committed to an asylum. By that logic, many great AcAryas would be worthy of being committed for holding that myths reflect certain truths outside historical time & space.
https://twitter.com/GhorAngirasa/status/1145278248437219329?s=19
A huge consequence of technological egalitarianism (equal access to technology/resources) is that individuals of very mediocre abilities watch a few videos of famous Hindutva tweeple, get all woke & go around giving their useless opinions on complex theological issues.
Unpopular opinion: Forming opinions & arguments on Hindu theological issues should never be a democratic, free-for-all process. There should be a diversity of opinions, yes; but from a small group of intelligent people. Unfortunately, we can’t enforce that here.

The idea that historical actuality of scripture is essential in order for scriptures/traditions to have any worth/value is shared by both abrahamisms & modern atheism.
By Liam Jerrold Fraser in "The Secret Sympathy: New Atheism, Protestant Fundamentalism, and Evolution": https://t.co/ErZgwQ4LKP

https://twitter.com/Shakra_Kulish/status/1145368930254352384?s=19

I remember a discussion we once had, long ago, on the traditional dating of the Mahabharata and BB Lal's. Am I to assume you have changed your stance?
https://twitter.com/ArmchairPseph/status/1145351790499491841?s=19
My POV is a somewhat nuanced one, the quest for a historical core is futile both in terms of spiritual value and in terms of whether finding it is possible, but we should not assert literalism above the proof of pratyaksha pramana, that is anti tradition

Pointless apoptotic discussions about the historicity, veracity of "Myths" in purANas, shruti, smriti. Personally I'm a student of biology in "modern" Gen next era, if I've to apply science/logic in every scripture because of my "scientific" background I better commit suicide.
Myth is derived from Greek, doesn't mean false in today's sense. Egyptian, Hellenic, Roman scholars of yore held Myths as the historical legends associated with Gods. Now coming to ours, we don't have any such term Myth: it is paurANika/vaidika but definitely not non-historic.

The example I gave of 'anathema'. It was the equivalent of Greek 'prasad'. Got its current meaning because Christians wouldn't touch it. Now we aren't supposed to go around calling our own prasad 'anathema'. That would be foolish.
https://twitter.com/Shatrubhanja/status/1145371285330878464?s=19
Vaidik dharma lives in the Pauranik dharma, which lives in the heart of every Hindu.

Des Raj Goyal was an RSS swayamsevak who left the group & wrote about it. His history of the group's founding is particularly insightful. RSS co-founder Hedgewar, he wrote, wanted: "A militant gang which would not stand duality of allegiance either to persons or to principles."
"... were Dr. Moonje, Dr. Paranjpe, Dr. Hedgewar, Dr. Tholkar, & Babarao Savarkar. The RSS publications mention only the figure (5) & not the names perhaps because all of them were Hindu Mahasabha leaders & the RSS has been shy of owning up any relationship with the Mahasabha..."
https://twitter.com/FriedrichPieter/status/1145316779188719616?s=19


A little-known script from sultanate-era India may be a clue about the era’s multilingual culture
https://t.co/SHasYp2DRW https://t.co/cxBKI5WmMT

https://twitter.com/scroll_in/status/1145371416591773697?s=19

Mangoes turning saffron from green after Modi’s victory is a huge concern, activists say https://t.co/jcysv7KY1H
https://twitter.com/OpIndia_com/status/1145353800821006340?s=19

There’s no such thing as a “tech person” in the age of AI. Social problems are no longer limited for humanities folks and technical problems are no longer domain of scientists or engineers solely. https://t.co/oDhj71lQy6
https://twitter.com/abhisheksurana/status/1145376750265782272?s=19

Probably the best lecture to understand, de-stigmatize, & demystify #depression. If you are a care-giver or have a friend who is going through depressive disorders, this is a great resource to orient+educate yourself. Prof. Robert Sapolsky in Stanford: https://t.co/widSRzKrjG 1/3
https://twitter.com/varungrover/status/1145235224810287104?s=19

It talks about the multiple components (biological, psychological, sociological) that make one prone to depression & is very reassuring in its broad diagnosis of the struggle.
Sadly the video quality is bad but someone has thankfully put subtitles so it's easy to follow.


29 June 2019 marked the eighth death anniversary of K. D. Sethna. As our homage to him, an article titled ‘Years with my mentor: K. D. Sethna’ penned by Dr. Goutam Ghosal has been published in the website of Overman Foundation. To read Dr. Ghosal’s tribute to K. D. Sethna, kindly click on the following link: http://overmanfoundation.org/2019/06/30/years-with-my-mentor-k-d-sethna-by-goutam-ghosal/

With warm regards, Anurag Banerjee

#SriAurobindo

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