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Similar to your talk "Why Organisms are not only Machines?", today we have also received a very nice new submission for the event with the title "Biological Evidence Against the Mechanical and Chemical Simplification of Organisms" by Dr. Alak Kumar Patra. 

We would like to share with you and other on this list one interesting peer reviewed articles Organisms ≠ Machines published by Daniel J. Nicholson (Senior Research Fellow, Konrad Lorenz Institute for Evolution and Cognition Research) at: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369848613000824

This article Highlights

Organisms and machines differ in their internal organizational dynamics.

Organisms are intrinsically purposive whereas machines are extrinsically purposive.

Machine metaphors in biology are theoretically inadequate but heuristically useful.

The rhetorical use of machine metaphors provides support for intelligent design.

Thanking you. Sincerely,

Bhakti Niskama Shanta

"Life is a unity in multiplicity. It is a process as a united flow, but it consists of many instantaneous moments - like the frames of a movie. The tendency of abstract understanding is to either think of a unity OR a multiplicity. Pure multiplicity is indicative of the atomic thinking of material reductionism. Pure unity is the indeterminateness of abstract monism. Unity in multiplicity is the comprehensive thinking of dialectical reason. Life has to be comprehended as a process in which its participants are simultaneously both ends and means to one another."

— Śrīpād Bhakti Mādhava Purī Mahārāja, Ph.D.

(Serving Director of Princeton Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture and Science, NJ, USA: http://bviscs.org )

Well, as far as I understand, this framework buckles when applied to most of the universe. A star has a material cause (a cloud of hydrogen), an efficient cause (gravity) and a formal cause (gravity plus electrostatic repulsion). Ockham's Razor denies that a star has a final cause. I have a material cause (food), an efficient cause (hard to summarize, but ultimately electrostatic attraction and repulsion) and a formal cause (DNA). I have a final cause only in so far as my parents wanted a child; they did not specifically want me, nor did they have a way of imagining specifically me, nor would that have changed anything.

Genetics entails the hypothesis that DNA is (most of) the formal cause for various of these traits, but also that mutations in the DNA are random. It does not entail any belief in a final cause.

The environment is the efficient cause of natural selection. But selection happens among alleles that have arisen by random mutation. Mutations have all kinds of efficient causes, including Brownian motion, chemical tautomery of nucleotides, and radioactive decay; the latter two are genuinely random parts of quantum physics to the best of current understanding.

Here, too, there is no need to assume any final cause.

Yes, with the understanding that there is no point in trying to figure out the (efficient, let alone final) cause of any particular mutation.

At the risk of reinventing the wheel, I like to make a distinction between "truth" and "reality".

Reality is that where the _argumentum ad lapidem_ is not a logical fallacy. Science deals with reality, not necessarily with truth.

Truth could be the same as reality. This option is called physicalism; of course it is the simplest assumption, so if your metametaphysics https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metametaphysics&oldid=593996199 includes Ockham's Razor, it will prefer physicalism. Only under this option is science necessarily able to tell us anything about truth.

Or, of course, the truth could be that I'm the solipsist, and that reality is nothing but a remarkably consistent figment of my imagination. In that case, _argumenta ad lapidem_ would be just as silly as philosophers generally think they are, and science would just be my own exploration of my own mind.

Or, of course, the truth could be that God is the solipsist, and that reality (including my mind this time) is nothing but a figment of His imagination. As far as I understand, some Christian philosophers have wondered aloud about this.

Or, of course, the truth could be that reality is _māyā_.

Or, of course, reality could be a metaphor for truth. This idea underlies a number of religions. (In the Gospel According to Matthew, Jesus does pretty much everything "in order to fulfill Scripture" – to make history an image of truth, one could say.)

So, when I say "wrong", I mean wrong within the confines of reality. Whether the truth is different is a separate question, and a question that does not need to be answered for science to work.

Best regards,

David Marjanović

The main target of this brilliant essay comes later, in his refutation of the claim that servomechanisms, such as a target-seeking mechanism in a torpedo, are intrinsically purposeful. I recommend reading it to anyone interested in the claims of "strong AI."

Peter Nyikos 

Professor, Dept. of Mathematics 

University of South Carolina 

http://people.math.sc.edu

Dear Peter Nyikos, 

Namaste. It is necessary to clarify between inner and outer teleology in order to fully consider the purposeful existence of things.

Aristotle's position was that inanimate natural phenomena, such as rocks, only have external teleology. They may be utilized in some purposeful way by organisms. In reference to mechanical artifacts such as a roulette or clock, we must understand that our use for them, their external purpose (which includes the roulette's purposeful design to be unpredictable) is separate from the internal purpose of the device. Internally, a roulette's purpose is to be spun and slowly become still. The internal teleology of a clock is for the gears to move. External teleology is relative to a thing's external environment. Telling time is a purpose which is externally applied to a clock, and would not be evident to one who does not have prior familiarity with the connection between a clock and time.

Internal and external teleology take on a dialectical aspect when considered in terms of organisms, as explained by Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja:

"Participants cannot be isolated from the whole in which they are participants and remain what they are. A DNA molecule can no more be what it is as a producer of protein molecules, than the protein molecules can be what they are as produced from the action of DNA, and producing the DNA. Each participant is cause and effect of every other participant, as Kant defined organism. Therefore nothing in an organism is without purpose, nor is the organism as a whole without purpose in the environment. Thus everything in the organism is both purpose [end] and means."

Kind regards,

Krishna Keshava Das

Serving Assistant

Princeton Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture and Science www.bviscs.org

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John

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Malady of mechanical bias in ontological thinking

Dear friends, 

Namste. Often the concept of the center of the functional unity of the living cell is presumed to be understood by the unsuspecting modern educated man as something mechanical, chemical or emergent whole. 

However a sincere student of science must inquire about the fundamentals and not be satisfied merely by utilitarian ends of such assumptions in biology. In this regard we can refer to the Socratic method, the essence of which has been to apply its techniques to discover what we do not know about what we have assumed to be already known.

The cell is considered the smallest functional unit of life. From a reductionist viewpoint, the cell is made up of atoms and molecules which are actively producing all the necessary requirements for the cell to act functionally. Thus we have so many chemical cycles such as the Krebs cycle, photosynthesis, ATP process etc. But is it sufficient for us to conclude from these that the cell is reducible to molecules. 

Traditionally there are three logical concepts dealing with reality. (1) Mechanical logic dealing with machines, (2) Chemical logic dealing with chemical activity and (3) The logic of the organic whole, which is to deal with objects with internal teleology, such as living organisms. Organic wholes are not a result of addition of parts. They are produced from already existing wholes and are irreducible to mechanical or chemical logic. In this way natural processes have been described in philosophy. 

But the biological studies in modern science have yet to let go of the mechanical bias in their ontological thinking. Socratic Methodology gives us a precise methodology to settle the question. We can focus on the question: Where is the center of the functional unity of the cell. 

The subjects of Socrates' conversations often revolved around search for a definition focused on the true nature of the subject under question and not just on how the word is used correctly in a sentence. Hence our focus should be what is the true concept of the cell, rather than what we think nature should be, or what merely a mechanism should be. We must let go of our different biases and allow nature to reveal to us. Further even though we may be professors, or scientists or coreligionists or whatever, we must take up the position of a student, and allow ourselves to be taught through these questions. We should desist the tendency to declare opinion of an individual, or of the majority as truth. This cannot be the criteria of truth of any subject in hand.

We must recognize ideas such as Mechanical Whole, Chemical Whole and Organic Whole etc are ideas. Where as the subject here is the Functional Unity of the Cell. There are according Prof. R.W. Paul, from University of Michigan six types of Socratic questions that can help us gain valid knowledge:

1. Questions for clarification: E.g. we may ask why do we think that the cell follows merely mechanical and chemical concept of Whole. How does it relate to the question of the unity of cell functioning etc.

2. Questions that probe assumptions: Why have we moved away from the logic of organic whole which was understood by philosophers like Kant, Hegel, Aristotle and Plato. Kant had even said that there will never be a Newton for the Blade of Grass. Then all of a sudden why the current shift of ontological thinking about the unity of the functional cell to a mechanical logic.

3. Questions that probe reasons and evidence: What would be an example of a cell that follows logic of mechanical and chemical whole in natural processes. Why there is no result after more than 150 years attempts to manufacture even a single bacterium from de novo processes in our advanced chemical labs even after spending billions of dollars worth of time and manpower. What is the Causal principle behind the cellular function. Why is it still irreducible to linear simplicity. Cell continues to display circular complexity in its causal flow. So how can we accept the mechanical reduction of the organism.

4. Questions about Viewpoints and Perspectives: Then what will be the alternative for us. How many things and properties have we explained in these different logical concepts. Which one comes out as the most relevant of all. Why there is no agreement among scientists. Why different schools such as semiosis, which focuses on living organisms, even at the level of DNA code, being interpreted by the organisms etc as sign systems gaining popularity. Should we not go back to what the erudite philosophers have always said. That is life comes from life. The concept of Unity of the functional cell is afterall the teleological concept of the Organic Whole discussed by Kant and Hegel.

5. Questions that probe implications and consequences: What are the general feature of cellular function. For example we may say, irreducibility of complexity, that intelligent and smart, novel features come out more easily in which picture. What do these imply for the concept.

6. Questions about the question: What was the point of mechanistic approach and spending so much valuable time and energy over the past 200 years, without any positive result. What does this effort of scientist mean to us. How does this apply to the deeper question of life. etc

Socrates is well known for his questioning style. He would disarm anyone who had a presumption of being knowledgeable and bring them to the point of thinking the very contradictory result. from their own presumptions. Thus he would prove that they knew nothing. Even Socrates said that he himself knew nothing. But he acknowledged at least he knew that he knew nothing. But generally everyone is thinking that they know, when they knew nothing. This is called Socratic Irony. Isn't that again applicable today. We try to explain the organisms as chemicals or objects. But they turn out to be subjects, intelligent, purposive etc. Then what kind of basis we should have for biological thought. This must be focus of education for all of us.

Thanking you,

Bhakti Vijnana Muni

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Ordered structure of a crystal

Fundamental difference between the nature of Mechanical, Chemical and Biological Systems

 Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D.

 Serving Director of Princeton Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture and Science, NJ, USA

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The unity of a mechanical system, like the solar system, made up of mechanical objects, is established externally in the form of a law, which reigns outside of and over the parts and by which the parts of the system are regulated. On the other hand, the unity of the chemical system is intrinsic to the parts, arising from their intrinsic natures. The ordered structure of a crystal is based on the nature of the constituent parts of a chemical system. Still, the parts of a chemical system retain their identity even apart from the interactive system, so that their initial and final states can be differentiated. In this sense the parts are both independent as well as dependent. For example, an acid and alkali can be isolated in different bottles and then added together to form a third substance - a neutral salt.

Those parts that can not be separated from a system without destroying it as a working system, can no longer be called parts but are participants or members of a dynamic whole. The participants are as essential to the whole as the whole is to the participants - this is the biological system or organism. Here we are removed from the stasis of fixed objects and are in the milieu of pure dynamical activity. Participants cannot be isolated from the whole in which they are participants and remain what they are. A DNA molecule can no more be what it is as a producer of protein molecules, than the protein molecules can be what they are as produced from the action of DNA, and producing the DNA. Each participant is cause and effect of every other participant, as Kant defined organism. Therefore nothing in an organism is without purpose, nor is the organism as a whole without purpose in the environment. Thus everything in the organism is both purpose [end] and means.

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Dear Friends,

Namaste. The Soctratean view is that Knowledge is inseparable from the Notion of Virtue. This view is congruent with the Vedanctic view. For example in the Bhagavad - Gita (5.18), it is mentioned:

vidya-vinaya-sampanne brahmane gavi hastini

suni caiva sva-pake ca panditah sama-darsinah 

Translation: The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brahmana, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste].

We can find here in Bhagavad - Gita also, that the notion of knowledge is inseparable from the virtue known as humility. More importantly the Bhagavad-Gita considers Knowledge is also connected to the notion of Shreya , which means that which is eternally good for the self, without any trace of inauspiciousness. Knowledge must lead to true and pure auspiciousness or Good. This is also an important ingredient in the Socratic Philosophy, where the notion of Good is Ultimate idea or Form (Eidos).

In their theory of Eidos, which is translated as Theory of Ideas or Forms, Forms are the non-physical essences of all things, of which objects and matter in the physical world are merely imitations. Plato suggests that these Forms are the only objects of study that can provide knowledge. They considered that these Ideals or Forms were real and the objects of the world were merely imitations of these ideals. These ideals constitute all the essential features of all individual objects belonging to the same class. For example what all trees have in common that makes them trees. Or what all acts of justice have in common that makes them just.

These are ideas and hence Plato’s theory of Reality is called idealism. These are the perfect, unchanging examplars of all naturally occurring existences and all good things. These include for example perfect tree, dog, horse and also perfect circle, triangle, straight line etc. Additionally when all such Eidos are considered, then by reason one can arrive at the Ultimate Eidos, which is that which all other Eidos have in common. This ultimate Form of Eidos is the “Good”.

Thus we find in the Socratean-Platonian view that Reality in highest form is the Form of the Good, and is Independently real and the material realm with all its object were dependent reality. The Form of Good is therefore Independent, immaterial and Perfect. Whereas the material realm is constituted of objects that are all imperfect imitations of the perfect realm of Forms, or Ideals, whose Ultimate Form is The Good. .

In the Bhagavad-Gita, the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna has mentioned BG (10.41):

 yad yad vibhūtimat sattvaṁ śrīmad ūrjitam eva vā

tat tad evāvagaccha tvaṁ mama tejo-’ṁśa-sambhavam

Translation: Know that all opulent, beautiful and glorious creations spring from but a spark of My splendor.

The difficulty of the modern positivist line of thought is that they are concerned with only the measurable, sensible side of the reality. But they are not encouraging reason. But there is also the negative side. Reason can see this. We have to only recognize this. There is no thought without the thinker. thus thought and thinking always go together inseparably. We have to recognize both the sides of Reality: Positive and Negative side and the movement between them. Philosophy and Science Proper can only begin here. It only requires us to recognize this.

There is a vast reality that is accessible to reason, but we ignore that and try to reduce everything to the positive, appearing side of the energy. But the Vedantic truth finds truth in the Socratic view and it is also being confirmed in modern science as they failed to explain how consciousness could arise from matter.

Thanking you,

Bhakti Vijnana Muni, PhD

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Is the field of genetics not a product of the belief that there is a cause for the various traits found among individuals in a given species? Is evolution not a product of the belief that there is a cause for the variety of species, and the similarities seen among them, that we observe in nature?  Is biology not based on a desire to understand life, to figure out what causes the vastly intricate nature of biological systems?

You conclude by defining a principle which, I presume, you see as fundamental to science:

"Science: 'if I were wrong, how would I know?'"

On the surface, this seems to imply that science is a means to systematically align one's consciousness with consistently empirically observable phenomena interpreted as truth.  However your definition reveals some deeper assumptions which are fundamental to our teleological nature. The simple recognition of, or consideration of possibly being wrong, alludes to a desire for truth. If we indeed "just exist", than why this tendency towards a desire for truth? This inherent nature towards truth is called inner-teleology.    


Kind regards,

Krishna Keshava Das

Serving Assistant

Princeton Bhakti Vedanta Institute

of Spiritual Culture and Science

www.bviscs.org

David Loye recovers the true views of Darwin

Just to lend support to my comments that Darwin was much broader minded than neo-Darwinists, David Loye’s book does a nice job recovering the true views of Darwin.

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Respectfully, I agree with JJ Kineman. Mayr should not be cited, even correctly, for the notion that there is something valid about vitalism. While he may have acknowledged that as a logical thing, he unquestionably had very strong views about biology, and he held, as an overarching principle, that Darwinian evolution was a fact (i.e., not a theory). IOW, there is no way he could be read philosophically (albeit he was not a philosopher per se) to admit non-material causal influences. Maybe that Mayr statement will give a grad student studying Mayr something to explain away, but it should be read, if at all philosophically, as evidence Mayr was not trained in philosophy. 

John Lunstroth

At present biologists are only studying the body of the living organism using physics and chemistry where they completely ignore the very essence of life: thinking, feeling and willing. Biology cannot be grasped by mere physical sciences. We need philosophy to understand the concepts like thinking, feeling and willing.  

Thanking you.

Sincerely,

Bhakti Niskama Shanta

On Thursday, 8 August, 2019,

In the last thirty years, the science of development genetics has figured out how this works, and the answers don't involve any additional force of nature that the physicists had overlooked.

 

I really recommend the whole lecture, and would be happy to discuss it all.

 

My gripe with the size of e-mails is very simple: the e-mails sent on this mailing list are often unusually large – enough so that, several times, they have filled my inbox, and I couldn't receive any further e-mails for hours or days. That is extremely annoying. It is simply rude to send e-mails without any regard for their size, or at least their ratio of information content to size. The two sentences you quoted stand for themselves – what was the point of illustrating them with a photo of the person who said them? What did that contribute, other than making the whole e-mail look like a clumsy argument from authority?

 

Please consider these matters.

 

Sincerely,

David Marjanović

Bhakti Nishkama Shanta

With great respect, thank you for the clarification. As you know from our wonderful conference at Rutgers, there is general agreement on these points, and yet also a desire to accurately represent these historical figures and their views, as well as counter-arguments. I am keenly aware of the present degradation of society in general by the very tempting employment of snapshot impressions and sound-bites. I think we may come to realize at some point that advertising, while necessary for honest exchange, turns evil when it becomes marketing. We’ve seen this now in our politics. We are at a time in history when we must learn to avoid it. As a career scientist, now embracing strong spiritualism as well, and observer of current politics, I very am concerned about any kind of information marketing strategy, and especially the tit-for-tat exchange that leads us to greater polarity. I think Prof. Marjanovic’s comments are to be taken seriously even though I strongly support the message you are trying to get out. I have also studied Ernst Meyr, and my impression was that he was struggling to admit as little as possible to vitalism, while citing it as the target, and to characterize it as a false impression of something more physically real. I disagreed with his assessment in 1988 and I still do. What you and BVI are aware of is true and real. And yet to establish that in the awareness of others must conform to the very highest standards of communication, standards that are rapidly eroding all around us by the misuse of media. It is ironic that I should write this to BVI, which is certainly committed to universal Truth, and struggling against all kinds of mischaracterization of not just spiritual and religious views (often falsely attributed in a negative way by others) but also of BVI’s legitimate scientific views that a majority of ‘scientific populists’ in the Western culture simply don’t like. In many cases their dislike is for reasons that are so empty that their comments can only come as insults. I am not identifying anyone in particular here, just the general nature of public dialogue on social media. So, in perhaps seeming to criticize the recent posting I am really wanting to help present the message. In the Veda it is said that method is greater than end, and actually determines the true character of the end that will be karmically achieved —- quite opposite to the Machiavellian philosophy of “the ends justify the means” which still permeates Western thinking. I think the best we can do is to present the new understanding of reality and show its warm embrace of the full view of those imagining opposition to it. Their opposition will help clarify it. Meanwhile, I want to reserve the option of disagreeing with Meyr on most of his position (at least past position - I’m eating crow if that has changed). 

Respectfully,

John Kineman

Dear Prof. John Jay Kineman,

Namaste.

We hope that you are doing well. Thank you for your comments and agreeing with the statement of Ernst Mayr that the basic problems of biology simply cannot be solved by a philosophy as that of Descartes, in which the organism is simply considered a machine. 

Ernst Mayr sincerely tried to critique the machine concept of organism and the evidence of the same can be found from his works. The view on living organisms and the attempt to understand biology in terms of physics in modern science is mostly derived more or less directly from the stance which equates organisms as mechanical (machines) in nature. Our Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute sees this as a dangerously misleading characterization about the nature of life. Moreover, we have to understand that this is not just a matter of importance for historians of science but all the concepts of modern biology (for example: seeing protein complexes as molecular-machines; behavior of organism along with its development as a mere execution of a program encoded in the genome; and so on) are driven by this dangerously misleading characterization. Therefore, one of our institute's work is focused on helping the honest and sincere scientists recognize this misconception that is obstructing our progress towards developing a genuine scientific understanding of life.

Thanking you.

Sincerely,

Bhakti Niskama Shanta

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Namaste Ram,

We should not distort the conclusion "Brahman in All" or "All in Brahman" to mean that we infinitesimal living entities are the exact same as Brahman, the Supreme Being.  We may be of the same quality as Brahman, but we are quantitatively very different.  His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada explains this differentiation very nicely in the following purport of Chaitanya Charitamrita Adi-lila (CC Adi) 14.33: 

"In reality, everything is an emanation from the supreme source (janmādy asya yataḥ). The original energy is exhibited in varieties, exactly as the sunshine, the original energy emanating from the sun, exhibits itself in variety as light and heat. One cannot say that light is heat or that heat is light, yet one cannot separate one from the other. Therefore Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s philosophy is acintya-bhedābheda,inconceivable nonseparation and distinction. Although there is an affinity between the two physical manifestations light and heat, there is also a difference between them. Similarly, although the whole cosmic manifestation is the Lord’s energy, the energy is nevertheless exhibited in varieties of manifestations."

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Maybe a similar version of this works.  If it is a question of certainty it can be answered by philosophy in the concept of testability. It seems counterintuitive at first but if a proposition is testable in principle, as all scientific hypotheses are supposed to be, then it is impossible to be certain of the answer because the test is finite and the universe of possibilities is infinite. For this reason experimental science prefers to work from reasonable attempts to disprove.  But it is different with untestable assumptions in our world view. These are in principle not testable, so if they are arbitrary it is possible for us to be certain of them in the sense that they are all right.  There is an indirect form of testability however in deciding which theory framework produces the better theory. So for example Ptolemy’s idea of divine circles isn’t actually proven wrong and cant be, but people found Newton’s idea more parsimonious and useful. I can thus be certain the Ptolemy’s metaphysics are not wrong and so answer the question but I cant do that exclusively between metaphysical propositions. So they are all correct therefore certainty is the case for each.   Does that argument work with regard to GT?

I was alluding to this fact in my earlier post saying that the four quadrant framework is a meta-theory. The formal theory we build from it is subject to testing but the framework is a mathematical pattern that is subject to proof just as the idea of a circle is. Perhaps the other theory frames being discussed are also mathematically provable, perhaps not  ... do we know?

John

Hi all,

A version of idealism proposes that matter (such as stone or table) is a condensed form of consciousness. The inverse of this is that consciousness is decondensed (sublimated) form of matter. [Sublimation is the transition of a substance directly from the solid to the gas phase, without passing through the intermediate liquid phase.] Thus, in essence, it seems to imply that matter = consciousness and vice-versa. Does this make sense to you?

If this hypothesis is not rejected then all four metaphysical/foundational frameworks (materialism, idealism, dualism, and multi-aspect monism) are simply different ways of “looking” the same fundamental truth. In that case, all metaphysical foundations can claim for “self-certainty” in their own language and GT (Gemini Theorem) cannot be applied.

Cheers!

Kind regards,

Rām

Rām Lakhan Pāndey Vimal, Ph.D.

Hindu Nationalism in India: Ideology and Politics

B Chakrabarty, BK Jha - 2019

… Introduction; Part 1 Ideological Foundations: nationalism in its theoretical springs; 1 Redesigning the Indian nation: politico-ideological priorities of Dayananda, Vivekananda and Aurobindo; 2 VD Savarkar (1883-1966) …

[PDF] The Last Farewell Embrace: Spirituality, Near-Death Experiences and Other Extraordinary Events Among Nurses

PN Martins - Psychology, 2019

… I asked Sri Aurobindo to show me “Soul Land”...after a long journey, I was very happy with everything that I have seen … Sri Aurobindo said that our journey was not bound by time; it had taken place in the Infinite, beyond time or space …

[PDF] Modi's Cultural Diplomacy and Role of Indian Diaspora.

J Srinivas - Central European Journal of International & Security …, 2019

… Furthermore, Indian freedom fighters and thinkers like Mahatma Gandhi, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo and Jawaharlal Nehru often stressed the synthesis of diverse values, and cultures for the rise of the Indian nation …

Decrease in social infrastructure causes loneliness

Assorted tweets collated by @NathTusar, Director, #SavitriEra Learning Forum (SELF since 2005) #SriAurobindo #FiveDreams #WorldUnion

International Conference “Spiritual Perspectives on Creating a Conscious Humanity” Oct 18-20, 2019 - Sri Aurobindo Foundation for Indian Culture (SAFIC) https://t.co/9w8MjPJ33v

https://twitter.com/shankaranu/status/1168807337659949057?s=19

Two new videos of important talks have been added on our website dedicated to prenatal education:

1) Significance of the Post-natal Ceremonies According to the Gṛhya Texts

2) Soumanasyam Garbha Jananam – Healthy Mind and Fertility

https://t.co/Bx0dXU3R2x

https://twitter.com/AUROSAFIC/status/1168746427809447936?s=19

Ashis Nandy n Dipesh Chakrabarty have mocked at Sri Aurobindo's contribution to India n the world. They won't last beyond 2025. Fake historians!

https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1168726216058081280?s=19

Who is the most authentic social historian in India ? Sri Aurobindo (writer of The Human Cycle n The Foundations of Indian Culture) or the unit made of Dipesh Chakrabarty, Partha Chatterjee, Ashis Nandy n Romila Thapar? Time to judge .

https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1168729267665944578?s=19

One needs a basic training in the scriptures to comment on Sri Aurobindo's Essays on the Gita, the most complete, the most authentic, the most integral, the ultimate synthetic view of Sri Krishna's uttered n uttered songs. Chakraborty is not fit to pass judgement on SA's Gita.

https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1168900052317855752?s=19

Mental intelligence cannot reach out to Sri Aurobindo's Gita. One must develop the faculty of higher reason, even if intuition is unreachable for him/her. https://t.co/XopHZlKefH

An American Sri Aurobindo scholar knows the  value of The Human Cycle. But the Indian sociologists r blind! https://t.co/GBwopz9eVi

https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1168894519473037312?s=19

Among other things we have to highlight 2  major socio-psychological-historical books by Sri Aurobindo. The Human Cycle n The Foundations of Indian Culture. The Master is not just a poet, he is also a sociologist, historian n an observer of the psychology of human development.

https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1168815530687418368?s=19

Agree about Anjana C, but CIIS is not anti Hindu, was established by Dr Haridas Choudhary, among the foremost disciple of Sri Aurobindo, with an integral approach to combine best of Eastern and Wester thoughts.

https://twitter.com/sharad5512/status/1168871840132911104?s=19

The crowning achievement of Romila Thapar, that cult-goddess of Marxist historiography in India, is that she could pass off as the voice of the subaltern, while all the time, actually being the ‘colonial masters’’ voice. @arvindneela https://t.co/B3ezeH1u0q

https://twitter.com/prasannavishy/status/1168827444431708160?s=19

Romila Thapar Asked to be Accountable: Or How the Rules of the JNU Founders has Boomeranged on Them https://t.co/hOvT34yT1j via @dharmadispatch

https://twitter.com/umedmehta45/status/1168749594735329282?s=19

A brilliant article on the Left poster boy- TM Krishna who is busy trying to uproot Carnatic music from Hinduism and sell its soul in the name of secularism.

An eye opener from Sandeep Balakrishna @dharmadispatch

T M Krishna: The Musical Urban Naxal https://t.co/PXvRQgjXW9

https://twitter.com/Arunakrishnan/status/1047496362512666624?s=19

Krishna Deva Raya vs NehruEconomic Policies - Sandeep Balakrishna: https://t.co/lx241iG6MV via @YouTube

https://twitter.com/CIS_Indus/status/1047086325143351298?s=19

Itihāsa. How the Dravidianists ravaged the Tamil heritage & gifted Tamil Nadu to the Global Church-- Sandeep Balakrishna https://t.co/aDdpm30Il8

https://twitter.com/ArunrBits/status/1076749220734939136?s=19

No Relief for Big Tech Under New EU Leadership

Incoming EU Commission president plans new laws on artificial intelligence and the use of big data as earlier investigations by the bloc’s antitrust enforcer continue https://t.co/HKgvrn9wl7

https://twitter.com/prasannavishy/status/1168737468343930880?s=19

How a false charge by British led to the discovery of Shri Aurobindo as we know him today https://t.co/6ZIwKvIXBN via @postcard_news

https://twitter.com/AshokKSingh13/status/1168830102097907712?s=19

noticed though that many RW's who feel Churchill was worse than Hitler...... also admire Israel & feel India needs to emulate their ways.   # strange bedfellows indeed. 🙄

https://twitter.com/naritachame/status/1168567763163500552?s=19

forgot to add the Japanese to the list. They often forget that Sri Aurobindo refused to support SC Bose on this matter. He felt Japanese Imperialism was worse ...... & this from a man who admired the Japanese Samurai culture.

https://twitter.com/naritachame/status/1168568981071941637?s=19

Subhas Chandra Bose on Sri Aurobindo

https://t.co/A82glG7BC7  / The Bourgeois and the Samurai1

https://t.co/UIRwR5gVH1

https://twitter.com/naritachame/status/1168690010666631169?s=19

Norbert Wiener, who certainly is the first person to formulate computer-based control systems, compared such manipulation of people by computer systems to cattle being imprisoned within an electric fence that gives a mild shock. 

https://t.co/gu64ixmkVw https://t.co/tcQZKxXfDZ

https://twitter.com/vakibs/status/1168784729782575104?s=19

Angana Chatterjee married to Richard Shapiro who is Director and Associate Professor of the Grad. Anthropology Program at CIIS, also a very anti-Hindu body. In fact, Shapiro was barred from entering India in 2010.

https://twitter.com/fgautier26/status/1168739336239468544?s=19

A LIST OF THE 50 BIGGEST ENEMIES OF HINDUS (Dead or Alive) contd…

16 Angana Chatterjee is one of the most venomous anti-Hindu in USA The irony is that she is a Hindu herself & started in an association named after India’s avatar, himself a great defender of Hindus Sri Aurobindo

https://twitter.com/fgautier26/status/1168739334691799042?s=19

Essays in Philosophy and Yoga consists of short works in prose written by Sri Aurobindo between 1909 and 1950 and published during his lifetime, deals primarily with aspects of spiritual philosophy and yoga. Get it here.

https://t.co/jojcCNfDfe

https://twitter.com/hindueshop/status/1168710062770049025?s=19

Bulk of character-traits are transmitted through genes and some are emergent. Marriages generally being confined to a caste, concentration of skills and attitudes is not unusual. So, birth-based Varna is a fact. However, Sanskritisation as indicated by M.N. Srinivas is also true.

https://twitter.com/SavitriEraParty/status/1168784095872028672?s=19

It's not a question of what you do or I profess, as if we are autonomous beings functioning in isolation. Resistance to knowledge is the root of the problem; understanding things should be the priority without going ballistic at the first instance. Sri Aurobindo demands humility.

https://twitter.com/NathTusar/status/1168793019673239553?s=19

What you are attributing to Sri Aurobindo may not be accurate. In its origin, Varna was different but it degenerated and Sri Aurobindo won't be blind to such a stark reality. As regards giving children, it sounds too proprietary for each individual pursues his or her own destiny.

https://twitter.com/NathTusar/status/1168788926884016129?s=19

Well, that may be one point of view, but if you read Sri Aurobindo, more insights can be gained on the issue. Read about how he explains Mitra and Varuna in his The Secret of the Veda. Four powers are basic to a perfect social organisation and he has elaborated it in Human Cycle.

https://twitter.com/NathTusar/status/1168791580100030465?s=19

Marketime: Declared ideological positions are at odds with true scholarship https://t.co/sYXWc0dwse #SriAurobindo #FiveDreams #WorldUnion

SAVITRI ERA OF THOSE WHO ADORE, OM SRI AUROBINDO AND THE MOTHER.

Assorted tweets collated by @NathTusar, Director, #SavitriEra Learning Forum.

https://twitter.com/SavitriEraParty/status/1168591618519076864?s=19

While a day has so much of variety in terms of circadian rhythm and allied psychological rollercoaster that we ride, annual Merry-go-round of seasons seems to have no noticeable effect or causal factors in human functioning. This disconnect is surprising when even sea sees tides.

https://twitter.com/SavitriEraParty/status/1168444579340644352?s=19

No, I think it changes. The effects are at hormonal level that modulate all body activities. Āyurveda discusses change of proportions in Vāta, Pitta and Kapha. It may not be immediate, like the neurotransmitters that change by circadian rhythms, but subtle effects will be there.

https://twitter.com/vakibs/status/1168775334994599936?s=19

Further compilation of problems with solar energy https://t.co/dbz3RGT1P0 #publicpolicy

https://twitter.com/sabhlok/status/1168716731042467840?s=19

Mr. Sabhlok read your article in TOI. Brilliantly put. You are the only person who is highlighting issues pertaining to wasteful land usage and low energy density of solar. Thank you.

https://twitter.com/highnoontide/status/1168748780977410048?s=19

Have you heard of the phrase Dimag Ki Batti Jala De? A few centuries ago, one European scientist had that moment. It led to a series of discoveries that enhanced our knowledge of electricity. https://t.co/qwUulj4vFG

https://twitter.com/madrascourier/status/1168777470444625921?s=19

Huge decrease in social infrastructure since 2012:  does lack of youth clubs, and libraries contribute to loneliness and social isolation in people with and without mental health problems? https://t.co/CWUSAesRE7

https://twitter.com/UCL_Loneliness/status/1168498218675658753?s=19

Britain is being stripped of its social infrastructure > 760+ youth clubs have shut across since 2012. A pub closes every 12 hours. Nearly 130 libraries were scrapped last year, and those that survive in England have lopped off 230,000 opening hours. https://t.co/KCnXzftvCa

https://twitter.com/TessyBritton/status/1167754746272374784?s=19

Panditji, everyone knows His own Mahabharata. There is no THE Mahabharata. If the epic teaches you anything, it teaches an understanding of multiple viewpoints. https://t.co/JtS7pRs6Tm

https://twitter.com/sanjayuvacha/status/1168722915925217280?s=19

The story of Srinivasa Ramanujan, one of the greatest mathematical genius the world saw in recent years who had no formal education. https://t.co/SllEKgEzwl

https://twitter.com/DiscoverMag/status/1168939313251454980?s=19

The wonderful article by Nakul Krishna on A K Ramanujam in the current issue of @thecaravanindia : http://t.co/s0pxSpLwzP

https://twitter.com/veejaysai/status/366231982495105025?s=19

A. K Ramanujam wrote his seminal essay on 300 Ramayanas. Perhaps the no. 300 is an arbitrary. As many Ramayanas & Mahabharatas exist as one’s imagination can make. Each episode in the epics can be explained in innumerable ways. That’s true timelessness.

https://twitter.com/vijayadar/status/990478292561158145?s=19

Each version is true in its own way. Which version one accepts is wholly dependent on that person’s intellectual ability to comprehend the deeper meanings. Amar Chitra Katha’s rendering of the Epics are delightful to children of all ages.

Came across this rather interesting essay by A K Ramanujam on 'Is there an Indian way of thinking?' Quaint but nice! https://t.co/XVHgA4Hw4e

https://twitter.com/nileshs123/status/969843645540175872?s=19

Augustine turns out to be a standard-issue fascist

Rooted and Free - (Essay 2) As teenagers and students, we long for freedom. But with freedom comes the responsibility to take important and life-changing decisions. https://t.co/KEXYd949w5

@IndicAcademy, @IndicBookClub, @AdvaitaAcademy @yoginisd @DimpleAtre @ShefVaidya

https://twitter.com/indictoday/status/1163041902117044224?s=19

Hilarious! They fail to acknowledge that their own forefathers fought for the Brits & massacred Indian revolutionaries, which is a historical fact & in turn question the nationalism of Tagore, who gave up his knighthood. At least read some history🤦🏽‍♂️https://t.co/0zgCmzvliZ

https://twitter.com/IamSourav_b/status/1163206175720169472?s=19

1) Finished translating the eleventh chapter of Prithvirajavijaya.  It is a very convoluted chapter. On the one hand, most of it is involved in re-telling the story of Ramayana. But OTOH, there is a hint that Prithiviraja fell absolutely in love with the portrait of Tilottama.

https://twitter.com/maidros78/status/1163265862318485504?s=19

But Tilak famously wrote a book that Aryans came from the Arctic. Was he trying to feel proud that his ancestors were white? Is that science? https://t.co/bH6siAa4cH

https://twitter.com/RajivMessage/status/1163153634139484161?s=19

I respect him as philosopher & nationalist. Scientist - could be a stretch?

With due respect for Tilak as well as for your expressed feelings, please also be aware that Tilak had stood for caste discrimination and was against women's rights!

https://twitter.com/pulindsamant/status/1163306362597568514?s=19

..2 I wrote a letter to magazine.. of course, not published. But how many times have RSS / BJP bothered to write an official rebuttal, protesting at such abuse n gross misuse of word n lies to desc their agenda? If you leave field open, others will come fwd to occupy it fully..3

https://twitter.com/gopimaliwal/status/1162956165476601858?s=19

..3 n a "koop mandook" type mentality - that it does not matter as nobody reads them - w/n help; a friend (American Jew) once asked me why BJP/RSS are anti-Jews (b/c of these words as also that N-word used abt them). I explained which party has had what policy wrt Jews/Israel..4

The standard of the leading Ashram journals has gone down miserably, partly because the geniuses have left or too old, partly  due to d "frog in the well vision" n chiefly due to the promotion  of the underqualified to block talented young writers. Ego again!!!

https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1162727511911854080?s=19

Let's hope. Most high class scholars of Sri Aurobindo live outside Pondicherry. Only a few like Deshpandeji  @Sampadananda , @drsbasu2115 n a few others are doing excellent work frm inside. Frog in the well vision! People laugh at their fake devotion!

https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1163114586305810433?s=19

"The educated Indian,particularly the Hindu,suffers from such a deep loss of self-respect that he's unwilling to be recognized as such.He feels,in fact,deeply threatened by any surfacing or manifestation of the identity that he has worked so hard to, & has been trained to reject" https://t.co/eeaBGj9d0d

https://twitter.com/AbhinavAgarwal/status/1162032122099486721?s=19

The more time I spend on social media, the more I realise that disagreeing with someone publicly is just for instant gratification. I have been guilty of the same. Time to take corrective steps for peace of mind and better mental health.

https://twitter.com/nirwamehta/status/1163286447677300736?s=19

I am not sure if you even know about the heritage of "Kannada Jains". Some of the earliest surviving and finest works of Apabhramsha (ancestral language of Hindi) were composed by Jain monks under patronage of Hindu rulers of Karnataka.

Murkh lemurs! https://t.co/LddqtJYw4V

https://twitter.com/vajrayudha11/status/1163296076448882688?s=19

Had an absolutely amazing chat with Shrikant Talageri where we cover a wide range of issues from Tony Joseph's work, the prob with the scholarship in the Hindutva side & his latest blog on numbers & numerals & their relation to the OIT that he proposes. https://t.co/wZPJxpncMD

https://twitter.com/kushal_mehra/status/1162382161770622977?s=19

The goal of the #1619project is to reframe American history, and to place the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are as a country. https://t.co/Rk1ocNg3tZ https://t.co/cbVb3uSjwU

https://twitter.com/NYTmag/status/1161614177485672448?s=19

Amid the initial joy of the declaration that #Ladakh will now be a Union Territory, locals in and around Leh are now worried that letting in outsiders will come with its own price. Should the locals be worried? https://t.co/CQX6oVleNM

https://twitter.com/moneycontrolcom/status/1163314116414455809?s=19

“the 3 greatest enemies of the nation of its imagination are the morality of India’s constitution; its Muslim and Christian minorities; and its Left and liberal dissenters. We are witness now to the open declaration of war against all these three enemies” https://t.co/f7RT2GRgih

https://twitter.com/sonaliranade/status/1163282810049708033?s=19

This is the clearest argument of the infamous Two Nation Theory I have read recently. Though I don’t agree as far as India is concerned (the reasons should be apparent to anyone sensible who looks at India’s recent history and demographics), one can see how this argmt is potent. https://t.co/tMSDcmR1lM

https://twitter.com/HindolSengupta/status/1163271784470327296?s=19

This fault line was exposed by increase in education and literacy rates during British rule as C. A. Bayly states in "Origins of Nationality in South Asia" and Francis Robinson in "Islam and Muslim History in South Asia”. Further exacerbated by British censuses. 5/N

https://twitter.com/_merajhasan/status/1161586110704865280?s=19

The original Netra Sen & Nirad C. Chaudhuri are dead. But the Netra Sens have multiplied, রক্তবীজের বংশধর. Read about how a current Netra Sen, a Nirad  fanboy, @swapan55 Ji, has been betraying and damaging Hindu Bengalis through his RS interventions:  https://t.co/RVcrl8EZK8

https://twitter.com/sarkar_swati/status/1163292153323380736?s=19

now reading this ebook by @CatherineNixey #thedarkeningage about the destruction of #greek and #roman #culture by #christians. we are seeing the same in action re destruction/#digestion of #hindu culture in india today by the same folks. https://t.co/UgR36qpsMe

https://twitter.com/RajeevSrinivasa/status/1034285719190003712?s=19

still the same: the unilateral declaration that the old gods are demons. isn't this standard logic applied by uncouth missionaries against hindu deities as well? this augustine fellow, lionized as some great, turns out to be a standard-issue fascist. reminds me of commie rants https://t.co/obxFjKQJE2

tomorrow, aug 17, is the first day of the year in the official malayalam calendar. it's 1194 Malabar Era, dating back to the founding of the port of kollam/quilon. it's chingam (leo) 1. happy new year to malayalis, including @NarenMenon1 @shilpamdas @NnnnRam @IchBinGorg @spv

https://twitter.com/RajeevSrinivasa/status/1162426206999973889?s=19

Sobering read on the tasks required to preserve our values as we are confronted w/ military aggression at the same time w/ morale-sapping influence ops. Not to mention unchecked mercantilism. @BonnieGlaser @AndrewSErickson @JamesKraska @jmohanmalik https://t.co/PdVFL0FKjg

https://twitter.com/SCS_Disputes/status/1163289877456142336?s=19

#SpaceMOMs exists, as a complete film, because it's an idea who's time has come: I don't want any Indian to cringe and cower on the world-stafe for being an Indian. You are the descendent of #aryabhatta. Stand tall. You are second to no one.

https://twitter.com/radhabharadwaj/status/1162946195053924353?s=19

"Today Narendra Modi’s name has also been included in the list of these great reformers after ban on triple talaq, which was infringing on the right of equality to Muslim women"- Sh @AmitShah on #TripleTalaqBill @spmrfoundation

https://t.co/UQe346DkI1

https://twitter.com/anirbanganguly/status/1163318613824008192?s=19

https://t.co/chyau5ekmc #Satprem

A short interview. Beautiful. Satprem speaks poignantly of "what is left when everything crumbles".

@kalisbrood @murlignosis

https://twitter.com/RaghuveerBelur/status/1163297084847427584?s=19

One I watch every now and then...also hard to reconcile the anguish expressed in Notebooks to his calm demeanour here...and I wonder what’s taking translators of the Notebooks so long..we really need to know how far he went...

https://twitter.com/kalisbrood/status/1163298899097874433?s=19

The first thing that anyone would notice upon meeting with #SriAurobindo were his eyes--mystic & immovable, his gaze fixed on infinity. #IndependenceDayIndia
https://t.co/QFTJ61T3Lb

https://twitter.com/Diff_View/status/1162022684890300416?s=19

"western approach to carrying on the legacy of their epic poetry is shaped by the intellectual ideas of the ancient Greek & Roman thinkers.On the other hand, India's adhyatmic civilization has adopted a different approach to preserving and popularizing the Ramayana & Mahabharata"

https://twitter.com/AndhraPortal/status/1163263856086376448?s=19

"VVS Aiyar became a practicing lawyer...He traveled to England to seek his fortunes, only to spurn a lucrative career and dedicate himself to India's freedom struggle against the despotic British Raj...His commentary on Kamba #Ramayanam was compiled when lodged in...jail"

"VVS Aiyar was fluent in #Sanskrit, Tamil, Telugu, English, Greek, & was an acknowledged master of Latin, among other languages. He was well placed to study the primary sources in #Indic and Western literature (he mastered French just so he could study Napoleon's memoirs"

Brahmagupta Was 7th Century  Indian Mathematician and Astronomer. He Is the Author of  Brāhmasphuṭasiddhānta .He Lived In Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh . His Work Was Translated In to Arabic by Astronomer Muhammad al-Fazari https://t.co/5A0pvrKepS

https://twitter.com/IndiaHistorypic/status/1163131722818445312?s=19

Part 3/5: 25 Year Journey - Becoming a Scholar

Rajiv shares his secrets on how he became a very successful research author, challenging many established intellectual equilibriums concerning India.

Watch On YouTube: CLICK Please watch and post your comments. Watch other episodes in this series here:CLICK

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Asian historicism before Protestantism

by Amod Lele

We are surely familiar with the pattern by now: members of an Asian tradition are concerned about supposed corruptions in their tradition which depart from the intentions of the tradition's historic founders, so they turn with renewed focus to the historical texts that they take to be at the tradition's centre. We, with our historical hindsight, now know that this Asian concern with texts and founders is an alien importation, the work of colonial subjects aping their Protestant missionary rulers' search for textual historicity. Except for one thing: it isn't. Read more of this post Amod Lele August 18, 2019

Who is afraid of ‘Philosophy’ in India?— A guest post by Mrinal Kaul

One such experiment was made by the well-known philosopher and public intellectual Sundar Sarukkai at Manipal in 2010 where I teach now. His idea was to create a committed space for the study of philosophy, both eastern and western. Unfortunately, that did not happen. Sarrukai decided to leave the institution in 2016 and recently philosophy was also removed from the curriculum. The question is not about philosophy or not-philosophy. ‘Philosophy will survive far better outside these institutions’, as Sundar Sarukkai would put it. The question is why are institutions afraid of serious engagement with philosophy? 

Seven rivers of my life

Assorted tweets

For more details about this upcoming conference hosted at @AuroSociety  and how to submit proposal for a presentation, visit: https://t.co/zyp6mKW6Z0 https://t.co/kGwUw6Y6M4

https://twitter.com/AUROSAFIC/status/1153926116110999554?s=19

Another important event hosted by SAFIC - mark your dates - August 3, 2019. A special lecture by Prof. K. Ramasubramanian on "Golden Age of Indian Mathematics". This event is open to all! https://t.co/sLoK9mOEv5

https://twitter.com/AUROSAFIC/status/1153895162030039041?s=19

Who are the Rasikas? (Part 1) https://t.co/FlYSHl3ubU

https://twitter.com/prekshaajournal/status/1153894829522182144?s=19

It is said that great seers such as Mataṅga and Bharata, are the founders and propagators of the science of music and dance.

Respectability of the Art of Dance https://t.co/S2NSSNI4L7

https://twitter.com/prekshaajournal/status/1153693181201883136?s=19

What an inspiring story. Good to know such scholarly saints existed very recently

Today there is a need for #dharmic scholarship to bloom in a national renaissance

The Sanatana Life of Sri Sheshanna Shrauti – A Contemporary Vedacharya https://t.co/U7iLgsNtT1 via @dharmadispatch

https://twitter.com/HinduLiberty/status/1153885351900921856?s=19

The Sama Veda Yaga of Vedacharya Sri Sheshanna Shrauti and Indifference to Fame

Part 3 of the profile of a contemporary Vedacharya

https://t.co/UteyUdIMQV

https://twitter.com/dharmadispatch/status/1153886146700558337?s=19

The divergent views on the “after” of Subaltern Studies, in turn, reflect the broader postcolonial debate, particularly on the question of the nature of the representation of the subaltern. https://t.co/Pu5Q1jJMFV

https://twitter.com/epw_in/status/1153915213915099136?s=19

Are people prudes for not being sexually active? For your #WednesdayWisdom let's bust the myth surrounding it! #FIIMythbusting https://t.co/iGDwavWxfc

https://twitter.com/FeminismInIndia/status/1153915213315317760?s=19

Checks and balances are bullshit. Under single-party control, they make no different, and under divided government, they serve only to obscure responsibility for policy outcomes and thus undermine democratic accountability. The Founders screwed up, BIG TIME.

https://twitter.com/adamkotsko/status/1154044240793497601?s=19

If you are between 21-26, these two books will make for a good read. These will lead the way for you to know what every Indian must know and stay ahead of the crowd.

Both the books are by Sandeep Balakrishna  @dharmadispatch #Aavarana is a masterpiece translation. https://t.co/5MzLbGru4y

https://twitter.com/CASandeepSehgal/status/1085734091889078272?s=19

Did any state petition the HRD Ministry to build an engineering university in their own language? No.

Why is it that every state wants to have an IIT, but none of the IITs teach in any Indian language? For every IIT, we can have a parallel IIT that teaches in the local language. https://t.co/FBl1fORYsm

https://twitter.com/vakibs/status/1153892992656322561?s=19

This is a well intentioned but wrong perspective. Learning Telugu in schools as a subject is irrelevant to the future death of the language.

The problem lies with university education where none exists in Telugu. The language will die if it doesn’t lead to a professional career. https://t.co/5peqeSgvVV

https://twitter.com/vakibs/status/1153732921850826754?s=19

The word that Hieun Tsang used to refer to India “Indu”, as well as the other endonym for India “Bhārata”, both mean exactly the same thing: the land which is fit for Yajña - “Yajñiyo Dēśa”, as Manu Smriti put it. This is the oldest reference to the geographical borders of India. https://t.co/DVzvC156ZD

https://twitter.com/vakibs/status/1148860624916623360?s=19

The organizing principle for nationhood of India is "Yajña". That is the meaning of the name of our countr. It is attested in our sacred literature. See this thread. Language is sacred, but it is just one part of Yajña. Indu/ Bhārata will remain united.

https://t.co/66QaXqr30n

https://twitter.com/vakibs/status/1153928633112813568?s=19

The human body is more than 60% water. The human brain and heart are 75% water. Water is the carrier of our life. Our words and thoughts can be considered as waves on a river, that nourishes us and moves through us.

In this thread, I want to discuss the seven rivers of my life. https://t.co/kkcItS0yi9

https://twitter.com/vakibs/status/1146750029908107264?s=19

How much do you like ponds? Please join me in posting pictures of famous ponds in your city/town/village in this thread, with interesting facts about them, if any. Use #PondsOfOdisha in your tweet

Starting with the sacred #Indradyumna of Puri.

Pic courtesy: @PURIWAVES https://t.co/GGzaesWYd1

https://twitter.com/OdiaCulture/status/1153505758589280257?s=19

"I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t negotiating my own spiritual perspective of the world when I was writing this book." @MukherjeeRheea in an interview with @JessieLChaffee on #TheBodyMyth  @LAReviewofBooks

https://t.co/Ndo2G0WXxU!

https://twitter.com/PenguinIndia/status/1153981903105613826?s=19

This relates to an inspired art lost with the ancients, revived by Whitman n theorized later by Sri Aurobindo followed by his own practice.

https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1153895444478664705?s=19

Eliot is a great critic, one of the best prose writers of the 20th century, but his poetry is not "discovered" like Yeats's or Whitman's or Sri Aurobindo's or Tagore's. His poetry is "made up" of wide reading n rarely catches the Infinite thru his words. Not a poet of d future!

https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1154017781450334208?s=19

Sir, have u looked at these? Lexicon of an Infinite Mind: A Dictionary of Words and Terms in Sri Aurobindo's Savitri https://t.co/dQoEAF0eZj

Supplement to the Lexicon of an Infinite Mind: A Dictionary of Words and Terms in Sri Aurobindo's Savitri https://t.co/A78FyTDfRT

https://twitter.com/auroviryavaan/status/1153654736811384832?s=19

An apposite rumination by @kalisbrood in three parts https://t.co/GOU1TlciVG

The experience of the Aurobindo Āśrama is really important learning principle for all of us, on what to do and what not to do. Having said that, I respect the Aurobindo Āśrama for all it achieved. You have my deepest respects. But we need to better and show the way to the world.

https://twitter.com/vakibs/status/1153923085755703296?s=19

You are right that democracy is not easy to establish at local level. But I am convinced that if anybody can do it, it is us Indians. From my perspective, democracy is a form of Yajña. What better place to recognize it as such, than in temples or other spiritual organizations?

https://twitter.com/vakibs/status/1153922303660560384?s=19

I visited Narsapur and Antarvedi 2-3 years back and was searching for English alphabets on signboards but was disappointed. The rural scene is different.

https://twitter.com/NathTusar/status/1153588108325036032?s=19

Off topic, but this is the very problem which I'm highlighting consistently. Each major language of India is endangered due to colonial legacy. Abolishing the Central govt by granting sovereignty to the States is the only solution. To have the cake and eat it too is not possible.

https://twitter.com/NathTusar/status/1153905746142060544?s=19

Proverbs like 900 सौ चूहे खाकर बिल्ली हज को चली or वृद्धा नारी पतिव्रता are pejorative comments but Today is the first day of the rest of your life since you can't bury the past. From an ethical as well as Evolutionary perspective, permitting a second innings is a prudent option.

https://twitter.com/SavitriEraParty/status/1153914521838182406?s=19

I think, the same principle has been alluded to by Sri Aurobindo as Arya https://t.co/TQPOfPbR3t

And Karmayogin https://t.co/MeqZsQIsMp

Btw, the thread should ideally include some references to the Veda. Thanks. @auroviryavaan @drsbasu2115 @bennedose @SpiritWithBody @sakshitrust

https://twitter.com/NathTusar/status/1153934935629037568?s=19

Because Thou Art: Art historian B.N. Goswamy's public lecture https://t.co/W8vW4lYHTU @NathTusar, Director, Savitri Era Learning Forum (SELF), Shipra Riviera, Indirapuram, Ghaziabad-201014 U.P. #FiveDreams #WorldUnion

Savitri Era of those who adore,

Om Sri Aurobindo & The Mother.

https://twitter.com/SavitriEraParty/status/1153735495601410048?s=19

Lakshmanarekha is not a part of Valmiki Ramayana

Assorted tweets:

Extended version of my review of Catherine Nixey's "The Darkening Age" comparing the aspects of Iconoclasm, Cultural Appropriation and Legal subjugation against the Pagans as carried out in Classical Rome and 16th Century Goa: 

https://t.co/QL4wGSC6IY

https://twitter.com/aurvabhrg/status/1050064817032052738?s=19

Off late there is a whole genre of fiction that's based on portraying the aitihAsika and paurANika material within a "realistic framework". Authors use various tropes to explain away the fantastical/magical/divine episodes from itihAsas and purANAs 1/

https://twitter.com/aurvabhrg/status/1149655131366948864?s=19

This is perhaps not a very new genre. Stalwarts such as K M Munshi, S L Bhyrappa, Narendra Kohli, who have dabbled with this genre. K M Munshi's Krishnavatara series tells the story of a brave cowherd who realizes his potential and decides to fight  the ... 2/

However, interpreting them within a realistic framework appears to have come to vogue after colonization. What was it that separated the previous generations who had no problems accepting an ape-like mighty being who could converse with humans, and fly long distances .. 5/

... the contemporary work is very very modern. The characters speak of egalitarianism, freedom and rights, which is really projecting the prevalent modernity into the past where it didn't exist, nor did it have an obligation to exist. 9/

This is how we got some gems such as the concept of a "Lakshmanarekha" (No, it is not a part of Valmiki Ramayana). However, if we are retelling these stories by stripping them off their very essence, then are we even retelling the same thing? 14/

By merely retaining the names of the characters, their relationships and the places they roamed around in, if we insert our own words into their mouths, are we not merely using them for the purpose of propaganda? What end is this genre serving then? /END

https://twitter.com/aurvabhrg/status/1149655158038511618?s=19

Hindu civilization is the tired and exhausted survivor of two determined attacks which were intended to be deadly: the Islamic invasion and the European invasion ~ Koenraad Elst

https://twitter.com/mnshzz/status/1149417552776519680?s=19

No one cares about your plagiarism spiel. Indian humanities has not come up with fresh ideas since Kosambi. All you guys do is low intensity plagiarism only! https://t.co/hJrOTrMpK2

https://twitter.com/SooltanMehmet/status/1149736170693124097?s=19

Even though the Pāṇḍavas were secure, several heroes on their side also lost their lives; a huge part of their army was destroyed. 

Mahābhārata – Episode 74 – The Invincible Bhīṣma https://t.co/81u2P3Bb1J

https://twitter.com/prekshaajournal/status/1149729051742859265?s=19

As long as I am on the battlefield, you cannot win.

Mahābhārata – Episode 74 – The Invincible Bhīṣma https://t.co/81u2P3Bb1J

Every Hindu child must be made to MEMORIZE the verses in Mudrarakshasa that bring out Chanakya's character so powerfully. These childhood lessons will act as a great bulwark against any challenges in life.

--- Sandeep Balakrishna @dharmadispatch

#quote https://t.co/Ag39uFq2BS

https://twitter.com/_Bhaarat_/status/1149562667515826176?s=19

There's a reason our ancestors said that tradition is precious and should be preserved. Waiting for a Kannada music director who can compose 0.0000000001% of this. 

Raag Pahadi. Lyrics: Kuvempu CC: Kannada warriors

https://t.co/IL3Rpv2A0y

https://twitter.com/dharmadispatch/status/1149740827746299908?s=19

It's the same tradition that uses the same Pahadi Raga & in the hands of Ilaiyaraja becomes this song. Lyrics: Venturi 

https://t.co/rmQbzr3y7R

https://twitter.com/dharmadispatch/status/1149743654128381952?s=19

And the same Pahadi Raga takes a romantic tinge in the talented strings of Pandits Shiv-Hari. https://t.co/OpKGw0der9

https://twitter.com/dharmadispatch/status/1149744957512491008?s=19

Shubhomita.. Jagjit... https://t.co/NvGN3S3qnl

https://twitter.com/ArunudoyB/status/1149771927625408512?s=19


Shubhomita .... Lata... https://t.co/55RdtZ8eNS
https://twitter.com/ArunudoyB/status/1149773837619343360?s=19


Watch "Nigaahen na phero chale jaayenge ham" on YouTube https://t.co/8Vy4d2LObH
https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1148613054831058945?s=19
The song is set in raaga Bhimpalashi.

Karvan guzar gaya https://t.co/aEBj0HMbMR
https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1149368736769429504?s=19

Watch "Tere Husn Ki Kya Tarif Karu - Leader" on YouTube https://t.co/wyQFOSSL4N
https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1148266331231309824?s=19


Immortal creation of Roshan
Watch "Jo Baat Tujhmein Hai Full Song With Lyrics | Mohammed Rafi | Taj Mahal 1963 Songs | Pradeep Kumar" on YouTube https://t.co/q02upv793Q

https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1148473494738370560?s=19

I hope it will maintain some balance n what Arnold calls "disinterestedness".
https://twitter.com/GoutamGhosal2/status/1149344157049077760?s=19

'Black Prince' was never made. Music by Dulal Sen. So different, outlandish tune. This song is also by Suman Kalyanpur. Sen is just another unheralded talent like G S Kohli, S Mohinder, C Arjun, Iqbal Qureshi, Ramlal & a few others..
https://twitter.com/Suranjan56/status/1148756502196310016?s=19

Indian Islamic “scholars” consciously provided the ideological core of modern jihad and “Arabism” that helped shaped last 200 years of Saudi Islam. One can say the revival of jihadi ideology as core of Islam was from Indian ulema (and all claiming Sufi lineage too).

https://twitter.com/dikgaj/status/1149653630531731456?s=19

Amish Tripathys ignorance of Indian Muslim scholarships shaping of middle east jihad wants ppl to not even see the elephant in the room by turning the lights off but to block their noses so they can’t smell it either.

This is a replug of an old article by @dikgaj @sarkar_swati @DrlathaC and me on how Gandhi and the Nehrus destroyed peasant movement in Awadh in collusion with the British and the Islamists [Khilafatists]. (part 1).  https://t.co/QE2sUFlOKX

https://twitter.com/maidros78/status/1149618333949390849?s=19

I meet so many women these days who say 'fuck marriage.' We are done with baby-sitting adult men. No one wants to tend to the house, family after a long day at work. 

It is men who benefit the most from the institution of marriage yet they love playing the martyr.

https://twitter.com/Purba_Ray/status/1149204279997001728?s=19

Dear young men and women, 

Please don't fall for such narratives and gender wars. 

Marriage is a two way street built upon love, kindness,mutual respect and affection. You care for others in certain ways and are in return cared for in different ways. https://t.co/9EIwnVhOgR

https://twitter.com/sabdavidya/status/1149624861049778177?s=19

Why Smriti Irani deserves our respect for Child Pornography Bill

An excellent write-up by ⁦@ashish40411⁩  https://t.co/sxzEBkpDb1

https://twitter.com/UnSubtleDesi/status/1149650902988414977?s=19

#EndChildSexualAbuse but #DeathPenalty is not the answer. So many voices saying this. But law makers are listening to only the bloodthirsty! @HAQCRC @RAHI_Foundation @aarambhindia https://t.co/o60k4X2DNc

https://twitter.com/enakshihaq/status/1149683826450321408?s=19

"I grew up in Kerala cadre where every Hindu eats beef, every single Nair, every single Brahmin eats beef. I am a great believer in everybody doing according to their wish and will” - Amitabh Kant https://t.co/O7ptIe4J64

https://twitter.com/Cawnporiaah/status/1149737074867621888?s=19

Not in favour of banning beef exports: Amitabh Kant https://t.co/qYrQ8LojKl

The main reason that arguing about day-to-day politics is lame is that you're accepting their frame.

If you want to win, you have to be able to undermine their entire basis for believing what they do: and better, convincing your allies that the enemy is arguing too shallowly.

https://twitter.com/17cShyteposter/status/1149609283941572608?s=19

Alexander made a rousing speech to rally his troops but to no avail. His troops had been on the march for many years, longed for home and didn't want to fight the army that waited in the Northern plains of India.

Alexander gave orders to for retracing their steps homewards.

https://twitter.com/Kishkinda2/status/1149606261710659586?s=19

Story doesn't end here, Alexander would defeat many tribes in Punjab and Sindh before departing but this is taking a bit too long, I will finish this during the weekend.

https://twitter.com/Kishkinda2/status/1149606613893783554?s=19

The Speech of Alexander to his troops in India

https://t.co/RDDrT6ZnOV

https://twitter.com/PrasunNagar/status/1149621168300625920?s=19

“There is no insurmountable solitude. All paths lead to the same goal: to convey to others what we are."

On Neruda's birthday, his beautiful and humanistic Nobel Prize acceptance speech: https://t.co/GVGbW9lxi8

https://twitter.com/brainpicker/status/1149725873500803072?s=19

“We hear and apprehend only what we already half know.”

Thoreau—one of the deepest, furthest seers our civilization has produced, born 202 years ago today—on seeing vs. knowing and what it takes to really apprehend reality unblinded by our preconceptions https://t.co/71DJWFpH0s

https://twitter.com/brainpicker/status/1149717307767365633?s=19

“In the street and in society I am almost invariably cheap and dissipated, my life is unspeakably mean.”

Thoreau, born 202 years ago today, on nature as prayer: https://t.co/h7fLc3iq45

https://twitter.com/brainpicker/status/1149709753318301696?s=19

Apollo Astronauts, in Their Own Words https://t.co/6QXHucZMUt
https://twitter.com/DiscoverMag/status/1149770770777825280?s=19

Memes, tweets and bots have taken over our democratic discourse, writes Nathan Gardels https://t.co/oEgsC3f91s
https://twitter.com/TheWorldPost/status/1149728388090908673?s=19

Don't police our emotions - climate despair is inviting people back to life #deepadaptation  https://t.co/yhGpaQgPCK

https://twitter.com/jembendell/status/1149746445345525760?s=19

Important piece on climate, emotions and the limitations of expertise. Must read. https://t.co/pXMxMNKNmF

https://twitter.com/GhoshAmitav/status/1149752691259772937?s=19

"The creation of Bangladesh is evidence of the failure of the two-nation theory which could not accommodate the cultural and political complexities experienced by Bengalis. Bengaliness or ethnolinguistic nationalism held more influence over people than did religious nationalism+

https://twitter.com/ArunudoyB/status/1149744287199838208?s=19

I understand, my comment on formation of Bangladesh will trigger barge of comments, however, do also look at the second point:

"Why ethnolinguistic characteristics of various people in India still remain the most important factor defining their identity in many Indian states".

https://twitter.com/ArunudoyB/status/1149749375062593536?s=19

Jain Museum in Pratap Nagari village in Cuttack Sadar is a classic example of how ancient sculptures can be protected in an organized manner. During the excavation work of Puri Main Canal, these beautiful & rare Jain murtis were found. https://t.co/eQPSQt63Ov #Jain_Museum_Pratap_Nagari

https://twitter.com/kalingaheritage/status/1111921161246404609?s=19

Love these pictures from somewhere in Kashmir. An Indian Army soldier with local Kashmiri kids at an interior village. This is the reality of the valley which media often doesn't highlight. Love for the security forces and their passion to secure every Indian whatever it takes. https://t.co/PEG4Tu0OQq

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1149711528276312066?s=19

The quintessential Indian thali is a cultural exploration on a plate. Time to go on an adventure! #FoodSecrets #MustRead

https://t.co/qoYj8lGDFR

https://twitter.com/thebetterindia/status/1149728878568435712?s=19

Did you know that one of Uttar Pradesh’s best-kept secrets is a ‘gulab jamun highway’? Find out more as we unravel the tale of how this sweet became an inseparable part of Indian lives. #MustRead #FoodSecrets #TalesToTell

https://t.co/PKXXO08O7A

https://twitter.com/thebetterindia/status/1149717556401283073?s=19

'70 Years of Secularism' written by Sandeep Balakrishna @dharmadispatch is a volume of remarkable essays which document the cultural genocide that the Nehruvian-Marxist alliance wrought on India over the last seventy years! Now at Garuda - https://t.co/DZiZrQSL3R
https://twitter.com/GarudaPrakashan/status/1075711832504053760?s=19

A Cultural Survey of the Economy | OPEN Magazine https://t.co/H0lJPzeTgQ

https://twitter.com/bibekdebroy/status/1149716553677471744?s=19

A cultural survey of the economy: Are we finally going beyond Kautilya in our economic thinking?, asks @bibekdebroy, #Budget2019, #TheEconomyIssue2019 https://t.co/c2moIUDPtS https://t.co/Xd5NkyaUJv

https://twitter.com/Openthemag/status/1149626218783768576?s=19

Nobody is a machine.. It's just a phase or state of mind when one is psychologically and physically at the top of their game.  Otherwise the likes of borgs, mcenroes, lendls, beckers, samprases, navratilovas, grafs, william sisters would have never faltered ever.. https://t.co/VkenRXWhbp

https://twitter.com/coolfunnytshirt/status/1149746218324516864?s=19

"The world of spirituality is very wide and there is no need to set up an artificial division between ‘non-theistic’ and ‘theistic’ practices." A wonderfully thoughtful, illuminating and wise interview with @peterheehs by @Getafix2012 - https://t.co/mUrNkRGYO2

https://twitter.com/ranjithoskote/status/1146129189659004928?s=19

Big difference between 15C Vijayanagara and 21C Miss India contest https://t.co/4m8DN3rRfQ https://t.co/uwIwUtMxhN

https://twitter.com/peterheehs/status/1134785474252353536?s=19

Someone should organize an Actual Indian Woman beauty contest - any Indian street in any Indian town could supply all the contestants needed.

https://twitter.com/peterheehs/status/1135074847569076224?s=19

Aurora Mirabilis: Nobody has been to the Premodern India https://t.co/Qc3YoPbUyU @NathTusar, Director, Savitri Era Learning Forum (SELF), Shipra Riviera, Indirapuram, Ghaziabad - 201014 (U.P.). #FiveDreams #WorldUnion

Savitri Era of those who adore,

Om Sri Aurobindo & The Mother.

https://twitter.com/SavitriEraParty/status/1149744173349605376?s=19