Monday, August 30, 2021

A guiding myth and an integral weltanschauung

Collated by Tusar Nath Mohapatra (b. 1956)

Perhaps it is not correct to say that there is no coalescing myth or worldview that provides a focus for life today. But, if there is, it is a narrow one organized around materialistic science, technology, consumerism and the profit motive, somewhat modified by humanistic concerns. Moreover, as the industrial age gives way to the information age and the modern mind gives way to post-modernism, a centerless, open-ended relativistic world without reference to any authority is growing, where even this focus is being increasingly subjected to narcissistic individualism and the will to power.

This comes along with the quantification of life, social isolation, mass-mindedness and alienation from the instincts and the power of symbols. It also encourages compartmentalization in both individual life and the life of the culture, where the left hand doesn't know or even care what the right hand is doing.

Increasingly, people find life meaningless and without purpose, while defending themselves in all manner of ways, whether it be through mindless consumerism, obsessive involvement with new technology, or through excessive use of alcohol and drugs, whether legal or illicit. Add to this a popular culture of movies, music, television programs, video games, and possibilities on the internet that generally appeal to the lowest common denominator, while often celebrating destructive tendencies and shadow qualities, and the situation looks anything but hopeful.

The chaos of the present post-modern condition is giving birth to a deep-seated yearning for direction and purpose, integrated around a spiritual center and wholeness. There is a cry for a guiding myth and an integral weltanschauung that is in harmony with the most contemporary view of reality, and that does not repress life but fulfills it in all its multifacetedness. -David Johnston

Dr S Murali - Review of Disorienting Dharma
It is as though the narrative is pushing the reader/listener away to a safe distance that affords a wider vision of the human situation. The disconcerting relationship between dharma and suffering isfore-grounded in the intimate aesthetic experience that the sahrdaya undergoes during the ill-fated moment of the dice game, the disrobing of Draupadi and the disastrous consequences thereon to all the characters. Everything that happens leads to the war. As Hudson points out the blind King Dhrtharashtra sees with insight but does not act with it. The purpose of the tale as it unfolds terror and fear in constant succession in the minds of the reader/listener is definitely cathartic. Time itself figures as a character definitive in the scheme of things. Paul Ricoeur in his Time and Narrative had drawn a distinction between tales of time and tales about time.

The Mahabharata is both a tale of time and a tale about time. For at the heart of this tale is its ethical project of refiguring our understanding of suffering. Emily Hudson’s Disorienting Dharma is in line with other Euro-American scholarly pursuits into Indian ethical and religious ideas like those of Max Weber, Paul Wilmot, David Shulman, Wendy Doniger, O’Flaherty, and James Fitzgerald. What is generally outstanding is her sensitivity to issues that are culturally and geographically alien to her, and her willingness to take on a text that is absolutely reluctant to provide any straightforward answers to life’s riddles. It is seldom that one comes across genuine scholarship these days like what Emily T. Hudson has exhibited in these pages. Her concern for the larger questions of human life through probing the profounder strands of the narrative textures and her unrelenting commitment to inquire into what each character and each specific situation in the text means at any given time and also to refigure it in the overall order of things, is quite clearly evidenced in her erudite critical reading.

A TALK IN HINDI (AUDIO)
In the beginning of sadhana, it is better to avoid TV or newspaper etc. These things create a bombarding of the senses which creates hurdles in the free flow of the divine energy.

TEXT IN ENGLISH
When one does not know what one is really looking for and the seeking is still vague, it may be best to start with the Letters on Yoga, The Mother and Sri Aurobindo on Himself.

When one looks at the immensity of Sri Aurobindo’s Works it can be both appalling and enthralling. It is appalling when we look at the sheer volume of it all, written in the best of English with a style and substance that we are not often used to. The modern man flooded with information available at a push-button, his life busy with the trivia and the insignificant, his motives often all too ordinary and utilitarian is not accustomed to serious uplifting thoughts that can transport him to realms of Light and Delight as if carried by magical waves. He would rather content himself with the mixed shades of earthly life, he has pacticed with the greyness and the dull round of terrestrial things to even aspire for the heights too sublime and lofty for his vision and effort. Even when men turn towards spiritual things they seek some kind of a fast food, easy to do, quick to achieve technique. It does not matter whether the fast-food will eventually cause more harm and that the quick results are a deception and a diversion, a marketing strategy to buy souls in the arena of the world. It is sad but true that cults and sects, religions and ideologies have become a game of numbers and thrive on the number of their adherents, regardless of whether people truly follow and live by the doctrines or not. Their proponents often expand the net by propagating simple, easy to do techniques or furthering a philosophy at once puerile and too simplistic to accommodate, let alone synthesise even the sheer facts that stare at us. Yet this is not a final verdict on our humanity. Our souls are bound to wake up one day and make a sincere effort to break free from the chains of ignorance that bind us, our minds are bound to expand their horizons, our thoughts cannot rest at halfway homes forever partitioning the world in two clear cabins of this-worldly and other-worldly, our hearts are bound to seek a love and a light greater than anything that has even manifested so far, our ever-dissatisfied life cannot find its ultimate satisfaction in the blank port of nirvana. It is bound to, rather destined to go further, beyond moksha and salvation and nirvana to build a new earth and a new city and a new body that would reflect truly the image of God.

It is when this happens when we are not satisfied anymore by all the traditional explanations of life, whether scientific or spiritual, religious or ideological, that we are best ready to turn towards Sri Aurobindo. In fact when that happens, when the seeking in us has begun to soar beyond the horizons we see then the book we need to read, the word we need to hear, the person we need to meet will by itself come into our life carrying the message from the One whom we are secretly seeking. Yes, these books are at best messages from the Divine, or from the Future, if we like, inviting us to the greatest adventure we have ever known. They are at once an invitation and a companion that accompanies us through the journey we are asked to embark upon. The words are vehicles of Light that illumine the night burdened path of man. They carry within them the ambrosia that gives us new life, the love that heals, the strength that helps us through the journey. Therefore they are best read with a mind or an inner state of seeking. Paradoxical though it may seem, but the philosopher who is all too full and satisfied playing with the ideas is often found wanting in a true understanding of Sri Aurobindo. He picks up a pearl from here and there and strings it with other gems or even glaring and glittering imitations making a terrible hodgepodge, a messy academic porridge that has all the ingredients, even those that are not needed but all in strange proportions making it an inedible dish to any serious and sincere seekers. Well, this method of compare and contrast may apply in academic circles but that is hardly the best way to approach Sri Aurobindo’s works that are synthetic by their very nature and contain within them the whole universe and much more. What is needed is the heart of the seeker and a mind that is ready and open to new ideas. For even when Sri Aurobindo writes about the well-known Scriptures he gives them such a new profundity and depth that the average person with fixated opinions and views based on doctrinal and dogmatic understanding may find it something difficult to understand. But the difficulty is not outside in the writing but in the reader himself who knowingly or unknowingly wants Sri Aurobindo to conform to his ideas or echo his thoughts and sentiments. When he does not find this happen then he often gives up the effort, little realizing that the very purpose of his writings is to open new horizons hitherto closed to thought and understanding. A fundamental humility is always required for any Knowledge and when it is a knowledge that is as vast as the universe then the need for humility is indeed indispensable. One may wonder what this statement means when it is said that Sri Aurobindo’s writings contain the universe in them. Well, it means what it says. His writings do touch upon each and every aspect of creation, not only as we perceive it now but also what it was at the beginning and what yet it shall become in the future. But not only do we have this vast cosmology but most importantly our place and role in it.

It is this vastness and catholicity that in the end misses nothing from the smallest grain of sand to the most complex of all creatures called man, not only the world of men but the gods, the titans and everything else is there placed in their proper place and function that constitutes the metaphysics of Sri Aurobindo’s all-encompassing Thought. If all this is too appalling to our mind busy with our own little life then there is also the luminous finger touching upon each and every aspect of our life, often in surprising details as if our ‘heavenly father’ held our fingers to teach us how to walk, how to eat, how to sleep, how to read, and every other conceivable and inconceivable aspect of human life. Finally, we have the core of the teachings that relates to the actual practice of yoga in all its shades and details, with every possible experience, even giving his own example and the Mother’s to show us that there is nothing impractical about what he is saying. It is perhaps the first time that the Divine has given His message in such an elaborate way, directly through the agency of the Word released by him and not through any transmitted document noted by memory or inspiration. And all this in a language that is modern, using images with which we can relate and connect to, taking into consideration all the new developments that have taken place through science and polity over the millenniums. Now all that is needed for us is to read, reflect, meditate and make a sincere effort to live. Ultimately true understanding comes only when we try to live a teaching. The path becomes clear as we actually walk the way.

JLONSRI AUROBINDO'SSAVITRI
Sri Aurobindo was a master yogi and visionary and wrote brilliantly in various areas of culture. He considered himself to be primarily a poet by vocation. His poetry found its apotheosis in the epic poem Savitri, a work in excess of 23,000 lines.

Wednesday, July 28, 2021

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Higher Concepts in Cosmology: Hawking, Hegel and Vedanta

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Dear Friends,

Namaste. The questions about the origin of Universe have become a major scientific and cosmological problem today. Recently David James Stewart wrote a book, ‘Truly Infinite Universe’ and made some particularly useful observations and inferences. Some of these conclusions are in line with Vedantic concept of Universe. In this letter we highlight some of these considerations.

Physics is leading towards a Pre-Ontological Multiplicity

Stewart coins a term, ‘Pre-Ontological Multiplicity’ a generic term for the notion of a dynamic and primordial diversity. It is an attempt to name what scientists and philosophers sometimes think is a primordial and nameless unknowable reality, prior to the existence of a fully constituted determined reality. They argue that there must be a chaotic, pre-ontological, virtual fluctuation of a not yet fully constituted real universe. [2]

In cosmology, the flatness problem makes us understand that spacetime is not smooth. Every deviation from flatness can arise only because of some prior deviation from smoothness. This raises the question about how to account for the initial deviation from symmetry.

In cosmology (Physics) negativity (idea of negation, defined in Hegel’s Science of Logic) of the real universe takes the form of a seething quantum vacuum. But here the notion of primordial symmetry is shown to be problematic. This primordial and fundamental disturbance is the very essence of the notion of pre-ontological multiplicity. It is the categorical opposite of the notion of primordial symmetry and therefore absolute nothingness.

This raises an epistemological need for treating this primordial reality within a dialectical system and search for higher levels of the idea of reality through the concept of sublation applied on the negative moments. What Hegel has systematically deduced in his system Science of Logic finds similarity in the findings of modern cosmology and that is reflected in some of the observations in the Hartle-Hawking idea of the universe.  

Hartle-Hawking Idea of the Universe

The Hartle-Hawking idea is based upon the uncertainty principle and its application to the cosmological problem. Hawking has argued that there is an impossibility of a uniform and empty space due to the implications of the uncertainty principle. Hegel has also rejected the idea that space can be treated as a box possessing a being-in-itself independently of its otherness. Einstein also considered space as a four-dimensional field – there is no space without a field. For Hegel space is Nature’s self-externality. For Hegel material objects develop out of space but it is not by a random process that they enter space from without.  In Physics, the only thing that happens to space is asymmetry and matter is nothing but the curvature of space itself. Hawking concludes that universe must have begun from a minimal possible non-uniformity. This is of-course equivalent to saying that there is an impossibility of any primordial symmetry. The state of Hartle-Hawking universe is a perpetually disturbed universe. [3]

Hegel’s Universe

We may begin in Physics with an idea of something like a primordial state, which is akin to some quantum vacuum fluctuation. But Hegel said Absolute is the infinitely self-related negativity. Modern quantum cosmological theory gives an indirect support to the notion of phenomenology written by Hegel. For Hegel, the universe cannot be apprehended merely by the senses. Hegel says, “God exists in proper truth only in thought and as thought”. [4] Hegel makes a distinction between so called infinity and the true infinity. The idea of finite is related with not only with the question “what it is”, but also “what it is not”. Therefore, it is only in the notion of Spirit (Geist) or Absolute that one finds the true unity of concept and reality. For Hegel both the finite reality as well as Absolute are characterized by restless movement. But the finite is a mere moment in the movement of the Absolute.

Logical Challenges

That universe is fundamentally dynamic can be deduced from even the existence of matter itself. Atoms, molecules etc. are all in perpetual movement of a certain kind. For there to be stars and galaxies, universe in its early stages could not be in a state of perfect uniformity or homogeneity. To counter this idea, one would have to establish how the existence of stars etc. is not indicative of heterogeneity. If one wants to impose an idea of absolute homogeneity and uniformity to the primordial beginning of universe from space, one will have to posit metaphysically an external reality which imposes this transformation upon the primordial reality from the state of homogeneity to non-homogeneity leading to a contradiction and therefore reveals an incomplete ontology in modern cosmology.

The Vedantic Concept

Srila Bhakti Rakshaka Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaja writes, “There are so many statements on the cosmology of the universe in the scriptures. The Aryans, the spiritually developed men of former times, used to see everything as consciousness. They saw that the shadow is also conscious. The shadow, abhasa, is also considered to be a stage of consciousness. Only through that shadowy stage of consciousness can we come to the material conception of a thing… The soul approaches matter, the material world, but before that, he must pass through a shadowy stage of consciousness called chidabhasa.  Consciousness passes through the shadow level of consciousness into matter, non-consciousness. And that shadow stage of consciousness has its personality.” [5]

Conclusion

To solve the problem of Cosmology it is necessary to study the contribution of consciousness in the development of matter. The Vedantic cosmology is essentially based on idea of the movement of the variegated spiritual energy. We need to study the concepts of true infinity, self-determination, Logic, identity and variegatedness from a more wholistic concept to deal with modern problems in cosmological account of reality. Hegel from a Western Philosophical tradition and Vedanta give proper systematic methods to deal with these problems for the benefit of the intelligent and the reasonable section of mankind.

References

[1] Stewart, D. J., The Truly Infinite Universe, Cambridge Scholars Publishing, Lady Stephenson Library, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE6 2PA, UK.
[2] ibid., 1., pp.176.
[3] ibid., 1., pp.176 - 179.
[4] Hegel, G.W.F., Encyclopaedia of the Philosophical Sciences (1830) Part One, Preliminary Notion Logic derived from a survey of the whole system, (19n, (2)).
[5] Srila Sridhar Maharaja, B.R., Subjective Evolution of Consciousness, Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, Nabadwipa, India, pp. 22-24.


Humbly, your friend,
Bhakti Vijnana Muni, PhD

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Wednesday, June 09, 2021

Are the Hindus a community, a nation, or a civilisation?

The day people like @Kal_Chiron @Hiranyareta @entropied @Spirit_Hindutva @bennedose sit together and thrash out issues bogging down Hindutva and those relating to life in India in general, there can be tremendous progress in this direction. Right now young scholars are confused.
Churning is still on is what I feel. Political victory was the means and not the end of the Cause. So the basic point - what is this Cause? Is it a continuum of history in a desired direction or does it have a specific, tangible, final goal? Or is it a mix of both phenomena?

Add to this various vested interests. Both domestic and international. How do we as Hindu Nationalists, perceive them vis our Cause? How do we learn from them and their tactics? How to deal with them?

Who are the friends of our Cause? Domestic and International. Who are real friends and who are enemies of our enemies? What is our view wrt International events and developments that can have an impact on our own Cause?

Are the Hindus a community or a nation/civilization? Is this our land or some shared space? Do we have a mind that will keep us owners of this land irrespective of our population? Or not? Because it isn't merely the numbers but the mind that wins.

What is the role of diaspora Hindus? How should they perceive this Cause? What is their role in their host countries? Should they be Woke or loyal to their host countries? Should they be aggrieved minorities or enabling minorities?

How should Hindus think about intra Hindu quarrels of all types? Should it lead to separation or should it lead to respectful discussion and coexistence within the umbrella of the Cause?

How should Hindus think about politics? Should we develop a political consciousness or remain free wheeling? Are there parties that are friendly or are there parties we can cultivate to protect our interests? Are there parties that are declared enemies?

Should Hindus think about personal/social safety since the Cause is also about ensuring personal/social safety? Or is it to be left to an impersonal State? Or is it a mix of both? How should we actually proceed on this?

How important is the family to our Cause? Is it really very important? Important enough to spend some time to mould? Should the flowering of the Cause start from the family? Or the individual? Can the Cause sustain itself in an individualist environment?

Should middle class Hindus start to think more about self employment? Or continue with being job seekers? Which model provides us more autonomy and which binds us to alien, harmful ideologies? Which gives us more time with our families and which takes away crucial years?

How about habits that can support the Cause? Reading? With shortened attention spans and problems remaining, how should Hindus popularise books and other media? How should we perceive what we read? Is a discipline around this required or not?

Any Cause, in my view, is either supported by mass commitment or the mass supports a few good men. The latter moves toward the former. Where are we on this scale? How should we move from one to the other? How to use all the tools at our disposal?

What is the Cause? We all feel it. We all have some words for it. Can we further sharpen it? It will help us if we can. That's the well spring.

Further reading:
Sri Aurobindo toiled for the larger issues of nationhood and human destiny @auroviryavaan
https://t.co/oWqfcAexqm
#SriAurobindo

Saturday, January 23, 2021

Sri Aurobindo gives history a spiritual twist

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Saturday, November 21, 2020

Scientists cannot produce even a grain of rice

[Sadhu Sanga] New Book" Idols of the Mind vs True Reality, by Bhakti Madhava Puri, Ph.D.

Idols of the Mind vs True Reality, by Bhakti Madhava Puri, Ph.D.

"One must therefore go back 300 years and reflect on how one could have proceeded differently at that time, and how the whole subsequent development would then be modified." - Schroedinger

The theme of the new book, "Idols of the Mind vs True Reality" by Bhakti Madhava Puri, Ph.D. is concerned with the clear exposition of the pivotal conceptions and misconceptions of Galileo's and others' ideas that produced the subsequent development of what would become modern mathematized science.

The confusions and almost complete ignorance that exist today regarding something so fundamental as consciousness is immediately cleared up when the obvious errors are seen in the ad hoc presumptions of the original founders of modern science who were blindsided by the metaphysical ontologies that held sway during their lives, but to which we no longer adhere, thanks to the development of philosophy beyond that period. We trace this progress out in a concise way in the book.

The modern mind, thanks to science education, is focused on the one-sided empirical approach to knowledge by sensuous perception, but this fails to account for the role of subjective cognition or conception - the role of consciousness in such perceptions. This artificial separation of the original unity-in-difference between conception and content has been rendered impossible to broach because of the historical metaphysical tradition of dualism firmly held by the fathers of modern science such as Galileo and Descartes.

The presumed impossible gap between subject and object is bridged once we realize that the object is what the subject knows it to be. This does not reduce the object to the subject as the abstract idealists (monists) naively are only too hasty to presume as an immediate identity (oneness). Mediation is involved; there are both difference and identity at play. It is merely lazy un-thinking that ignores the intricate dynamic in the mediating activity that is the heart and life of consciousness. The main purpose of the book is to restore the central importance of the conceptual moment that is integral to science and which makes it truly worthy of the name Science or scientific knowledge. 

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“The scientists would say ‘everything is made from some electrons.’ The smallest atom is hydrogen and that is made of an electron [and a proton and neutron] but that doesn’t produce consciousness or life. We are not just moving electrons – electricity. Produce all the electricity you want but you cannot produce life. The scientists cannot produce even a grain of rice. We could not live if we were depending on the scientists. Life is the most important principle, not matter, but where is it coming from?”

— Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D.
(Serving Director, Princeton Bhakti Vedanta Institute)

Wednesday, September 23, 2020

Futility of strict shastra based laws

YES. Vivekananda was writing pages after pages in his book about "difference between Aryas and Mlechhas'.
And these guys here are saying that Vivekananda disapproves of the concept and existence of Mlechhas. Ha ha ha.
RW liberalism makes people dumb
https://twitter.com/TIinExile/status/1308753642808246272?s=19

@HindolSengupta is right. Vivekananda is not condeming Mlecchas here, he is simply using it as a counter against Brahmin orthodoxy. He says 'if you want to blindly follow Shastras, then burn urself as well' . @TIinExile should be fair and accept the mistake
https://t.co/bY5rSmCOpO
https://twitter.com/Okeera4/status/1308735358410973184?s=19
@TIinExile was right about the iconography of Vamana . He was also right a out Ashoka ( he became a Buddhist before invading Kalinga) . But he is wrong here . We have to be intellectually honest if we are seeking the truth . Nothing personal
Swami Vivekananda is not using these examples to denounce Mlecchas , as you suggested , but is simply using the discourse to point out the futility of strict shastra based laws in the modern context.
Indeed, the root is your rebuttal to this tweet .Question is whether Swami Vivekananda opposed the notion of Mleccha.U quoted a snippet in which he USED the term;this isn't rebuttal since the context was rhetorical , and not endorsement of Mleccha concept
https://t.co/UxiGz75vwW
https://twitter.com/Okeera4/status/1308748131358523396?s=19
I never made the claim that he never used the word Mleccha . Pls read the threads again 
My entire point was based on the original claim of @HindolSengupta suggesting that SV DISAPPROVED of the of Mleccha concept . Your countered that he USED the word . This is not a rebuttal++
The 1887 comment on food was clearly rhetorical and cannot be taken as his definitive view. But if you were to show that the other dozen or so references were after the 1984 speech , I will concede
https://twitter.com/Okeera4/status/1308756245432549382?s=19
To be honest , it does suggest that he placed Aryan values over Mleccha values . But this cannot be considered a final picture of someone who wrote as widely as Swami Vivekananda . @HindolSengupta 's tweet might be what SV ultimately thought about the matter . To counter HS++
To counter HS++ , one should show a chronologically later quote of SV where he re asserts the Arya-Mleccha binary
https://twitter.com/Okeera4/status/1308753663834251264?s=19

Swami Vivekananda was of course playing to the western gallery on western soil. Hatred in the context he mentions connotes safeguarding oneself from evil or ill influences of degrading culture and is not the harmful emotion it is associated with.
https://twitter.com/sanjeevkadv/status/1308774593339957249?s=19

See Brother on the Context of Dharm there is no bigger authority than Guru Sankaracharya , mean no disrespect to Swami Vivekananda, this by no means was a disrespect of him,but when it comes to Dharm only Sankaracharya is the Highest authority not swami vivekananda...
https://twitter.com/ka2ekaatejaenge/status/1308773845822832645?s=19


Yeah. Secularisation of Vivekananda and Paramahamsa is widespread. 
Swami Vivekananda is shown as a nationalist, but his hindu identity is suppressed.
https://twitter.com/lifeofsurya/status/1308757291009597447?s=19

Vivekananda has been promoted by Christian World .Many of his things he said were false .Read traditional Hindu books
https://twitter.com/Subhash194/status/1308757891491528708?s=19

Mlecchha is probably derived from Meluha, people beyond the Makkoran or Makran coast. It means different culture. I don't know what formal education Swami Vivekananda had in Hindu dharmic tenets, his Guru was a mystic.
https://twitter.com/vijayvaani/status/1308758001428254720?s=19

To clarify my stand on Vivekananda - like any other human being he had his own fault lines. But the never ending love,courage and compassion he had for the cause of awakening the spirit of India and continuing to inspire India is second to none.
https://twitter.com/chyavanmallya/status/1308763069070241793?s=19

He is Shankaracharya Maharaj, has higher authority than Vivekananda.
Vivekananda maybe well versed on the philosophical part (as Maharaj Himself admits) but had a very poor understanding of Varna Ashrama Dharma.
https://twitter.com/gajaturagapada/status/1308763754272702467?s=19

So Swami Vivekananda travelled all the way to Melacha land, to address malechas as brothers & sisters.
Sir - this is not Sincere.
Do not call spade a Holy spade
🙏
https://twitter.com/pa_dd_y/status/1308764200160776192?s=19

I am not interested in arguments but facts. What you presented itself says that Vivekananda had great reverence for Jesus. 
Anyway, you are free to keep your biases. Bye.
https://twitter.com/TUndercoverMonk/status/1308764462350958592?s=19

What Vivekananda is saying is practice what you preach then the world would be at your feet. The particular example was taken as the orthodox brahmin society at that time preached such things but themselves hobnobbed with Mughals, Brits etc
https://t.co/B9gehbrhCA
https://twitter.com/Dutt_An/status/1308766668471119878?s=19

Vivekananda is a rookie lmao. Calling him the "greatest"😂
English speaking is not a measure of one's intellect. At best Vivekananda can be compared to pop culture "Gurus" like Sadhguru 😂
Ever heard of Dharma Samraat Karpatri Maharaj? Yeah he is the G.O.A.T.
https://twitter.com/raghav22554468/status/1308767993808080896?s=19

Wednesday, September 16, 2020

Science theory is a subdiscipline of ethics

Here you finally admit the way you really think. You have concluded in advance that the Srimad Bhagavad-gita is truth, and that anything that contradicts it must be explained away by hook or by crook. It is not surprising, then, that you callously accuse hundreds of thousands of scientists of having done the exact same thing: you're projecting, because you have never even imagined that anyone would actually think in a scientific way.

... you admit that you only pretend to engage in science – that the goal for you is not better understanding of the subject matter of science, but "to achieve the ultimate goal of the human form of life"! The outer appearance of science is just a means to a completely different end to you! Here, too, it is not surprising that you callously accuse hundreds of thousands of scientists of having done the exact same thing: you're projecting your own goal-oriented thinking onto everyone else, because you have never even imagined that anyone would actually think in a scientific way.

Please don't get me wrong. If you believe you know what ultimate goal of the human form of life is, and how to achieve it, by all means do so and tell us about it! I'll be honestly happy for you! But it would be a fundamental misunderstanding to believe that science tries to achieve any such goal. The goal of science is to better understand its subject matter (which I like to call "reality" as possibly distinct from "truth"); no less, no more. Don't pretend to pursue that goal when you're actually pursuing a quite different one. You would only continue to confuse people – including, evidently, yourself.

Of course not many scientists are _only_ scientists, _only_ insterested in the goal of science. Many believe in political or religious ideologies and hope to use the understanding they gain through science to further the goals of these ideologies. As an almost trivial example, a noticeable number of scientists have been (and of course some are today) Christians who hoped that their research in the sciences of nature, of Creation, would give them greater insight into the Creator. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this kind of thing. But the moment you assume you _already have_ that greater insight into the Creator and deduce from it that anything in science which appears to contradict this insight must be explained away by hook or by crook – that moment you are no longer a scientist, you're no longer doing science.

Be honest with yourself. Science is the application of science theory, and science theory is a subdiscipline of ethics – the ethics of belief.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Ethics_of_Belief

David Marjanovic

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Monday, August 17, 2020

An almost hymnal rhythm to the prose

Holland’s central thesis is that the West, despite its loss of faith and abandonment of religious ritualism, remains nonetheless thoroughly Christian. That modernity (and even post-modernity) as it is commonly understood in the West is a product of Christian assumptions not necessarily shared by other civilisations and that these continue to inspire and inform its contemporary moral precepts and social mores. [...]

When Nietzsche declared God to be dead he was declaring in effect, that everyman (and woman) was henceforth their own god. It is a message that in the one hundred and twenty years since his passing has been embraced with alacrity across Western Europe. While, as Holland points out, Nietzsche had lamented that Christianity’s sternutatory pollen still afflicted European noses back in the late 1800s, were he a witness to our current post-modernist era I suspect his mood would be far more upbeat.

Leo Strauss, the famous 20th century political scientist, saw in the artistic output of a civilisation the reification of its philosophical underpinnings and where once this had a distinctly Christian radiance today it carries the aura of…well nothing. In the words of Douglas Murray, the renowned neoconservative author: [...]

Today, as Western birth rates plummet (based upon distinctly un-Christian assumptions and attitudes) and its nations find themselves in the grip of a collective neurasthenia induced by the massive and sudden collapse in faith, the clamour amongst the Muslim multitudes for the revival of the Caliphate – for the restoration of the City of God and for His Will to be done on Earth as it is in Heaven – grows ever stronger. In an irony befitting of a Biblical parable, it is Muslims today who lay far more an authentic claim to the legacy of Jesus (peace be upon him) and Paul, than the average ‘Christian’ European or American. 

[Ok, so I've finally published my musings on @holland_tom's latest book Dominion (it was recently released in paperback). It's long (9700 words) but of all my blog posts over the years I really do recommend you read this one.] https://t.co/24lzETkuKY

Monday, March 02, 2020

Veronique Tomaszewski, VM Kärkkäinen, David Marjanović, and Peter Nyikos

Amoeba Words by Sam Mickey
“What is an amoeba word?” Amoeba words include many of the words thrown around when people are talking philosophically. The philosopher-priest Ivan Illich explains:
I take the term from the work of Professor Uwe Pörksen of Freiburg, a linguist and medievalist. [...] Ivan Illich in Conversation, with David Cayley (Toronto: House of Anansi Press, 2007), 253-254

Representation of Women's Quest For 'Self'in the Selected Works of Kamala Das
RR GS - Our Heritage, 2020
… It has been categorized into pre- and post-independence poetry. The two prominent poets of pre-independence period are Aurobindo Ghose and Rabindranath Tagore … The two prominent poets of pre-independence period …

Indian English Non-Fictional Prose Writers in India
GR Solanki - Sustainable Humanosphere, 2020
… Sri Aurobindo is better known as a seer and poet, but he has to his credit many volumes of prose writings on philosophical, religious, social and cultural subjects … Sri Aurobindo was sent to England for his school education at the age of seven by his Anglophile father …

The Cambridge Companion to Rabindranath Tagore
S Chaudhuri - 2019
… [REVIEW] Swami Narasimhananda - 2016 - Prabuddha Bharata or Awakened India 121 (9):674. The Later Poems of Rabindranath Tagore.Rachel van M. Baumer, Aurobindo Bose & Rabindranath Tagore …

Death-A Beggar Orphan: OP Bhatnagar's Vision of Death
VB Agrawal
… life and death. Metaphysical poets like Tagore and Aurobindo have illumined this theme with the radiance of their thoughts … Tagore envisions the presence of God in every atom. Aurobindo visualizes a divine scheme in the birth of Savitri to redeem the world. Krishna …

THOREAU'S INDIA-AN OUTSIDER'S VIEW
VM Kumari
… Sri Aurobindo Ghose one of India's great mystics says; "To become ourselves is the one thing to be done; but the true ourselves is that which is within us, and to exceed our outer self of today, life and mind is the condition for this …

Emerging Trends in Psychology, Law, Communication Studies, Culture, Religion, and Literature in the Global Digital Revolution: Proceedings of the 1st International …
YB Setiawan, S Rahmawati - 2020

Doing the Work of Comparative Theology: A Primer for Christians
VM Kärkkäinen - 2020

My Creative Experience: Finding Voice, Finding Silence

A Transcultural and Interdisciplinary Approach of the (False) Dichotomy Subject-Object in Aesthetics....
Veronique Tomaszewski

Similar to your talk "Why Organisms are not only Machines?", today we have also received a very nice new submission for the event with the title "Biological Evidence Against the Mechanical and Chemical Simplification of Organisms" by Dr. Alak Kumar Patra. 
We would like to share with you and other on this list one interesting peer reviewed articles Organisms ≠ Machines published by Daniel J. Nicholson (Senior Research Fellow, Konrad Lorenz Institute for Evolution and Cognition Research) at: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369848613000824
This article Highlights
Organisms and machines differ in their internal organizational dynamics.
Organisms are intrinsically purposive whereas machines are extrinsically purposive.
Machine metaphors in biology are theoretically inadequate but heuristically useful.
The rhetorical use of machine metaphors provides support for intelligent design.
Thanking you. Sincerely,
Bhakti Niskama Shanta

"Life is a unity in multiplicity. It is a process as a united flow, but it consists of many instantaneous moments - like the frames of a movie. The tendency of abstract understanding is to either think of a unity OR a multiplicity. Pure multiplicity is indicative of the atomic thinking of material reductionism. Pure unity is the indeterminateness of abstract monism. Unity in multiplicity is the comprehensive thinking of dialectical reason. Life has to be comprehended as a process in which its participants are simultaneously both ends and means to one another."
— Śrīpād Bhakti Mādhava Purī Mahārāja, Ph.D.
(Serving Director of Princeton Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture and Science, NJ, USA: http://bviscs.org )

Well, as far as I understand, this framework buckles when applied to most of the universe. A star has a material cause (a cloud of hydrogen), an efficient cause (gravity) and a formal cause (gravity plus electrostatic repulsion). Ockham's Razor denies that a star has a final cause. I have a material cause (food), an efficient cause (hard to summarize, but ultimately electrostatic attraction and repulsion) and a formal cause (DNA). I have a final cause only in so far as my parents wanted a child; they did not specifically want me, nor did they have a way of imagining specifically me, nor would that have changed anything.
Genetics entails the hypothesis that DNA is (most of) the formal cause for various of these traits, but also that mutations in the DNA are random. It does not entail any belief in a final cause.
The environment is the efficient cause of natural selection. But selection happens among alleles that have arisen by random mutation. Mutations have all kinds of efficient causes, including Brownian motion, chemical tautomery of nucleotides, and radioactive decay; the latter two are genuinely random parts of quantum physics to the best of current understanding.
Here, too, there is no need to assume any final cause.
Yes, with the understanding that there is no point in trying to figure out the (efficient, let alone final) cause of any particular mutation.
At the risk of reinventing the wheel, I like to make a distinction between "truth" and "reality".
Reality is that where the _argumentum ad lapidem_ is not a logical fallacy. Science deals with reality, not necessarily with truth.
Truth could be the same as reality. This option is called physicalism; of course it is the simplest assumption, so if your metametaphysics https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metametaphysics&oldid=593996199 includes Ockham's Razor, it will prefer physicalism. Only under this option is science necessarily able to tell us anything about truth.
Or, of course, the truth could be that I'm the solipsist, and that reality is nothing but a remarkably consistent figment of my imagination. In that case, _argumenta ad lapidem_ would be just as silly as philosophers generally think they are, and science would just be my own exploration of my own mind.
Or, of course, the truth could be that God is the solipsist, and that reality (including my mind this time) is nothing but a figment of His imagination. As far as I understand, some Christian philosophers have wondered aloud about this.
Or, of course, the truth could be that reality is _māyā_.
Or, of course, reality could be a metaphor for truth. This idea underlies a number of religions. (In the Gospel According to Matthew, Jesus does pretty much everything "in order to fulfill Scripture" – to make history an image of truth, one could say.)
So, when I say "wrong", I mean wrong within the confines of reality. Whether the truth is different is a separate question, and a question that does not need to be answered for science to work.
Best regards,
David Marjanović

The main target of this brilliant essay comes later, in his refutation of the claim that servomechanisms, such as a target-seeking mechanism in a torpedo, are intrinsically purposeful. I recommend reading it to anyone interested in the claims of "strong AI."
Peter Nyikos 
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics 
University of South Carolina 
http://people.math.sc.edu
Dear Peter Nyikos, 

Namaste. It is necessary to clarify between inner and outer teleology in order to fully consider the purposeful existence of things.
Aristotle's position was that inanimate natural phenomena, such as rocks, only have external teleology. They may be utilized in some purposeful way by organisms. In reference to mechanical artifacts such as a roulette or clock, we must understand that our use for them, their external purpose (which includes the roulette's purposeful design to be unpredictable) is separate from the internal purpose of the device. Internally, a roulette's purpose is to be spun and slowly become still. The internal teleology of a clock is for the gears to move. External teleology is relative to a thing's external environment. Telling time is a purpose which is externally applied to a clock, and would not be evident to one who does not have prior familiarity with the connection between a clock and time.
Internal and external teleology take on a dialectical aspect when considered in terms of organisms, as explained by Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja:
"Participants cannot be isolated from the whole in which they are participants and remain what they are. A DNA molecule can no more be what it is as a producer of protein molecules, than the protein molecules can be what they are as produced from the action of DNA, and producing the DNA. Each participant is cause and effect of every other participant, as Kant defined organism. Therefore nothing in an organism is without purpose, nor is the organism as a whole without purpose in the environment. Thus everything in the organism is both purpose [end] and means."
Kind regards,
Krishna Keshava Das
Serving Assistant
Princeton Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture and Science www.bviscs.org

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My own synthesis of Rosen's work results in definition of a holon which is a circular causality moving between local and non-local domains - I'm now wondering if in some way that itself could correlate with this idea of torsion?? Any thoughts?
John

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